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Donald Trump has multiple loans on his properties amounting to at least $200 million, which may devalue their worth and make it less likely that they will be seized to recuperate the costs of his legal fines.
The former president has until March 25 to come up with the bond amount or New York Attorney Letitia James could begin seizing some of his assets and properties after Judge Arthur Engoron ruled that the former president will have to pay roughly $355 million in penalties for fraud. The February ruling stated that Trump and top executives at The Trump Organization inflated the value of his assets to obtain more favorable terms from lenders and insurers.
The lawsuit, brought by James, initially sought $250 million in damages, but she increased this figure to $370 million, plus interest. With interest, the payment exceeds $464 million.
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That’s not how it works. The courts get first crack at that property. If something is worth $100 million, and it’s used as collateral on a $50 million loan, the courts can seize it and sell it for $100 million and keep all the money. The one who issued the loan for $50 million can then sue Trump for the $50 million along with any other creditors who Trump owes money to.
So, Trump can’t sell his properties without paying off the loans, but the courts can seize them for their full values.
Another thing: all of his properties need to be reappraised. Current valuations were made up by Trump and have been found by the court to be (paraphrasing) bullshit.
We may soon come to find out that Trump‘s entire real estate portfolio is worth a fraction of what he claims it is. New York State man fact, have to seize everything. Or close to it.
They better be sure so might as well seize it all. We can then watch them pull him out of Mar-A-Lago by his ankles while he is screaming.
Unfortunately while they can seize anything in NY, property in other states requires them to go through the federal government. It can be done, but it’s a whole separate legal process.
Just seize everything in New York, then the creditors will take mar a lago to get their money back for the loans on the New York properties.
Better use pepper spray to guarantee the screaming part
s’cuse me, you dropped this
Is that accurate? I asked this question yesterday and got several responses saying the exact opposite.
That the government would seize a property, quickly sell it, and then pay off any outstanding liens. Then whatever was left over got applied to the $464M and then the courts keep seizing, selling and paying until they achieved the full amount.
Otherwise if you seized someone’s full collateral for a bunch of loans, they no longer have any incentive to pay those loans if they are already close to bankruptcy and there’s nothing left for the creditors to seize.
Edit: had troubling finding an answer but this is from Tennessee and about cars. It says the government can either send the asset to lien holder or pay the lien holder
If a lien holder is listed on the title of a seized vehicle and this lien holder files a claim, a hearing is not set. The State’s Attorney will review the case and verify the lien. An Order will then issued forfeiting the property to the seizing agency subject to the lien. This allows the vehicle to be returned to the lien holder to satisfy the lien, or for the seizing agency to keep the vehicle and pay the lien holder their respective lien.
So I dug into it a little deeper and it looks like the answer is kind of. Government still gets first crack at the value of whatever the property is, but leftover funds may be distributed to other creditors. It also depends on the kind of loan in question as to whether the government will repay them or if they have to sue Trump.
Overall the process works much like bankruptcy does, creditors get ranked based on various criteria (generally the more money you’re owed the higher you’re ranked) and higher priority creditors get first dibs and whatever is left over goes to the next creditor in line. Government pretty much always goes first. Once they’ve gotten their money next would be anyone who has an actual lien on the property. It’s also possible to have given a loan whose terms are tied to the property but doesn’t result in an actual lien being issued for it. Those creditors are just fucked in this case. They’ll have to chase Trump through court to get their money back as it’s essentially a contract dispute at that point.
What’s highly likely to happen is we’ll see a panic recall on any outstanding loans Trump has as nobody wants to be on the bottom of the pile fighting for scraps after the financial corpse of Trumps assets has been picked over.
There’s a reason no banks have been willing to loan to him for 30 years, and when he went looking for a bond the ones who were willing to give him one were demanding double the amount in property as collateral. They wanted to make sure that there would be enough left over for them to get their money back after the government took their cut.
As for what you cited, that’s for civil asset forfeiture which is a little different. In that case the government isn’t treated as a creditor since you don’t owe them anything, they’re just straight stealing your property. In the case of property with a lien on it they repay the lien holder essentially the full value of the lien as there’s no valid claim to those funds by the government.
At the end of the day the government will just keep seizing property until both they and all Trumps creditors are paid off or until there’s no more property to seize whichever comes first. What’s definitely not going to happen is the government goes “This property isn’t worth it because it has too many loans on it, we’ll just let Trump keep it”.
Well, the point may be that this is the first domino. I have signed loans in the past with collateral that had very specific requirements for the colatteral and would become immediately due if the requirements for the colatteral where not met.
So what the fuck? Is this author lying or incompetent?
Yes.
I wasn’t aware of this…that’s pretty wild if so then trump is double screwed. You love to see it.
Id love to see them go after mar a Lago first and the places that are least leveraged to leave him with even less equity after the dust settles.
has until March 25
Happy Fucking Birthday to me then (I hope)
That’s the day my GPU arrives, happy GPU day to me!
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This just keeps getting funnier.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump has multiple loans on his properties amounting to at least $200 million, which may devalue their worth and make it less likely that they will be seized to recuperate the costs of his legal fines.
But this week, the former president’s legal team said paying the full civil fraud penalty would be “a practical impossibility” leading to speculation that James may soon start seizing his properties.
If the properties are not seized, it has been speculated that Trump may have to sell off some of his real estate empire to pay the penalty issued to him by Engoron.
In a post to his Truth Social account this week, Trump criticized the judgment handed down by Engoron and said he may have to sell some of his properties cheaply to come up with the bond amount.
"Judge Engoron actually wants me to put up Hundreds of Millions of Dollars for the Right to Appeal his ridiculous decision.
"I would be forced to mortgage or sell Great Assets, perhaps at Fire Sale prices, and if and when I win the Appeal, they would be gone.
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How many mortgages can you put on a hotel in a game of Monopoly?
