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Remember when Trump said “America First” and everyone cried? Pepperidge Farms remembers…
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Okay but you SHOULD be doing something about the fucking cartels…speaking as a Mexican American
Sounds like they are. They’re going to let America fight its drug war in America.
They’re not though, they have constantly capitulated to the cartels over the last few years and more. The cartels are literal terrorist scum and should be wiped the fuck out
Except it isn’t that easy to just “wipe them out”. It’d be like dealing with a very well armed, very large resistance movement and would probably start a civil war. Without support from somewhere (like the US) it would be political (and probably regular) suicide
with a lot of Chinese gangs helping them
And american institutions.
The US drug war, as well as decades of funding dictators and death squads, created the instabilities that contributed to the creation of the cartels.
You’re on crazy pills/ignorant as fuck if you think it is on Latin America to clean up our fuckin mess
The US should focus on defunding them and any local support but by no means should the US do anything on Mexicos soil. Legalizing and regulating drugs locally would cut a lot of their funding I imagine. Long term it would also probably help the immigration numbers as well. Especially is we placed tariffs that enticed companies to not ship products from China but rather if they must use labor elsewhere to make it more profitable to move their manufacturing from China to Mexico/South America. It would help the regions and decrease shipping distance cutting back on environmental impacts.
Edit: typo, defunding became defending
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This president has acted like he was owned by the cartels since day one. Good luck to any peace he thought that would bring. Seems like a disaster for their future in the long-term.
Still a pretty funny line, though.
What’s with OP’s pro-Trump editorializing? How does this article possibly serve as a defense of Trump’s fascist “America First” policies?
Mexico should legalize all drugs.
USA should legalize all drugs.
Everywhere should legalize all drugs.
Tax that shit and put the money into rehab and education. Prohibition has only ever benefited criminals.
Nah, decriminalise all drugs sure.
But shit like fentanyl, krokodil, etc. shouldn’t be actively promoted through ease of access.
Nobody is taking fentanyl or krokodil in world where uncut medical-grade opiates are available. Hell, even fentanyl can be dosed safely if it isn’t coming from the unregulated black market.
Full legalization, full-stop. Drugs are so dangerous because we prohibit the existence of a safe, regulated market.
How the hell do you dose fentanyl safely outside of a clinical context? You cannot discern a lethal dose from a nonlethal dose with the naked eye.
Legalized doesn’t mean unregulated, people went blind during prohibition due to dangerous moonshine but it’s incredibly rare now as it’s brought from licensed manufacturers.
Tbh it’s even rare with moonshine now. Idk if it’s just the internet making knowledge more widely accessible but now people know to throw out the methanol (or “foreshots”) for blinding reasons, and if you want it to be good throw the heads and tails too.
It’s a property of fentanyl itself. I’m saying that outside of a clinical context, you don’t have the instrumentation necessary to dose it.
You’re ignoring the part where they said that no one would be taking fentanyl because other opiates would be available. It was literally the first sentence.
People don’t typically take it recreationally on purpose; it’s usually because a low level dealer cut the drug and added fentanyl to it.
There are people on the street nowadays who prefer rent over heroin. It sounds crazy to non addicts, but the high is better for less money and it might actually be safe for people to knowingly buy fent and attempt correct dosing themselves rather than dosing for heroin but having cent laced.
Like, shit, that is dark and evidence the drug war has failed.
With regulated doses, probably in pill form, like any other fucking drug? Obviously they wouldn’t be selling pure fentanyl powder
The problem is, unless something is done about the cartels before hand, all that is going to do is legitimize them.
When your entire industry is illegal in almost all of the world, it suddenly becoming legal tends to hurt the black market very badly.
They should be granted amnesty in exchange for disarmament, among other things to drag them into legitimacy and abiding rule of law. It would have to be an undertaking comparable in scope to denazification post-WWII though.
Legalizing drugs doesn’t mean there are no regulations. The FDA would have to control the quality of the drugs, and I bet the cartels don’t exactly have quality control.
Cartels make an estimated $20-30 billion a year selling drugs to the U.S.
If the FDA regulates and we make our own, you just cut out all that money from them. Their influence goes down greatly. Also feeds the money back into our economy and the taxes on it can help us line our politicians pockets, oops I mean help fund healthcare
Yeah, but the comment I’m replying to specifically said mexico should legalize, that wouldn’t change the us demand at all.
He said that, then put Trump first. What did he do for America besides racist rhetoric, a few miles of border wall that apparently doesn’t work, and fast tracked a COVID vaccine you won’t take?
Mexico cutting off its nose to spite its face.
I think it’s gone under the radar for most people just how massive and powerful the cartels have gotten over the last 10 years, all aided by crypto. Now that they don’t have to worry about trucking dollars over borders, they can basically operate like multinational corporations
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“Of course we are going to cooperate in fighting drugs, above all because it has become a very sensitive, very sad humanitarian issue, because a lot of young people are dying in the United States because of fentanyl,” the president said.
Asked about those comments at the time, residents of one town in the western Mexico state of Michoacan who have lived under drug cartel control for years reacted with disgust and disbelief.
López Obrador has also made a point of visiting the township of Badiraguato in Sinaloa state, the home of drug lords like Joaquín ‘El Chapo’ Guzman, at least a half dozen times, and pledging to do so again before he leaves office in September.
But it did note the U.S. Treasury Department announced sanctions Friday on a Sinaloa Cartel money-laundering network in which the proceeds of fentanyl sales were used to buy shipments of cell phones in the United States, which were then sold in Mexico.
John Kirby, spokesman for the White House National Security Council, credited “strong partnership with the government of Mexico, with which we coordinated closely and for which, we are grateful,” in investigating that case.
The cartels control increasingly large swathes of territory both in northern Mexico — their traditional base — and in southern states like Guerrero, Michoacan, Chiapas and Veracruz.
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