• @makyo
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    I feel like Google’s crap results predate the AI tech by at least five years. It has been garbage SEO stuff for a while.

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      I feel so bad for the younger folks these days.

      Way back when, if Google couldn’t find it and we did some good Google Fu, it probably wasn’t readily available online.

      Now, you know it probably is there, just buried in nonsense generated purely by layer after layer of people’s selfishness. And they never even knew it could be any other way.

      • The Picard ManeuverOP
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        It’s a sick joke that we’ve celebrated being in the “information age” for the last 20-25 years, and now that information is being obfuscated by various means again.

        SEO, censorship, paywalls.

        • @Skullgrid
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          it’s not the information age, it’s the data age.

          Information implies usefulness. Data is just data. Could be right, could be wrong, who knows.

          • @[email protected]
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            You could say the same thing about information, though. Information doesn’t necessarily imply usefulness. There is an infinitude of information in the universe which is useless to us.

            • @Skullgrid
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              I guess I should have said “correctness” instead of usefulness

      • @chiliedogg
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        Google has also disabled some of the search operators that made refining results more useful.

          • @chiliedogg
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            Which is the most important one for me. It’s also really useful for filtering SEO crap that has 50,000 keywords attached to every page.

            • @chiliedogg
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              It really breaks when you’re using it multiple times in a string or combining it with other operators.

    • @UckyBon
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      It does.

      Straight out of college in 2015 I did some SEO sidehustling. We’d get blogs writing for cheap by fiverr people, adjusted it a bit, and they ranked high very easily based on certain keywords for the industry. Those blogs were just random bullshit (AI does a better job for a short story), jargon was on point but the content was just snakeoil. Business went thriving.

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        This unironically is what I/my peers do with resume/cover letters for job/internship applications nowadays. My friend actually has a decent beer moneymaker for building optimized resumes for other people on campus.

        The whole system we’re playing in is so fucked.

        • @[email protected]
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          My buddy needs help doing this with his resume. He works in IT. Think you could help him out? He’d pay, of course.

          • @[email protected]
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            Sorry, it’s my friend who does it, not me, and I can tell you right now his clients are dumb finance/business bros, not tech.

            All he does is throw the job description into some version of chatGPT to generate a cover letter, and edit it around to make it relevant to the person’s skills and sound like a human wrote it. Then he reduces the resume down to one page. Usually this is enough to get them into the group interview (according to him).

            Basic stuff to tech oriented people but this shit is still a mystery to so many college kids/recent grads.

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              Roger, thanks for the insight! It seems that the job market is difficult at the moment for experienced tech folks. My friend has been talking about paying several hundred to a company who does similar resume editing, and they guarantee an interview in 30 days. IT has never been this rough in the 13-ish years I’ve been in the field.

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                I don’t know where you live and how bad it is there, but I just got my new job (software architecture) and I specifically asked in my interviews how to improve my resume. The final version was the culmination of all this feedback and got me the perfect job for me, as it makes use of every skill and strength I have.

                The two most important points for my resume:

                • As some companies use AI for filtering out candidates, don’t do anything fancy, no double columns or star ratings, just write text separated by headers.
                • the first page was more like a profile page from a website, where I present relevant general technical and social skills, specific domain knowledge and examples from previous jobs that are relevant for this position. And just from page 2 onward is the usual stuff like education, internships, languages, etc.

                It was a lot of work to tailor the cover letter and resume to every posting, but I had much more interviews than when I started and sent out the generic version to a multitude of postings. So in the end it was roughly the same time I invested, with less applications, but more interviews, tailored to my interests and skills.

                For reference, this is the style I used for my resume. Hope that helps your friend!

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                  I really like the format of this. Thanks for sharing, and you look like a really solid candidate.

                  I couldn’t help but notice this at the bottom, “References and other document’s available”.
                  When it should read: “References and other documents available “

                  The apostrophe in “document’s” suggests that the documents are in possession or have ownership of something.

                  I see you speak Hindi as well as English, so for the record, I could not draft such a great resume myself in Hindi.

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          I have hope that it just has to get this bad to get better. In comparison to 5-10 years ago you now have many new search alternatives, starting from US based wrappers like duckduckgo, EU based engines like qwant and metager to paid services like kagi. Right now I am testing kagi and the search results are really good, but considering how often I use GPT4 to answer more specific questions, I may just switch to free alternatives like qwant or metager or some other new search engine.

    • @Ross_audio
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      But the SEO garbage sites active up to 2023 have updated since 2023 to keep up with each other.

      So it works really well.

    • @[email protected]
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      It has been garbage SEO stuff for a while.

      garbabe SEO has been there since almost the beginning. More recently google started to promote sites base on their profitableness.

      Remember when you could suppress sites from Google search results? Due to “unknowable reasons”, they got rid of that feature. Enshittification is real.

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        Yeah I was looking the other day to block certain sites because every time I google shit I can’t get an answer or it’s just really an add. Along with fucking Qora or whatever it is.

        Unfortunately the option is gone

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      Yes, but the SEO methods and Google’s ranking methods have been evolving together over time. Meaning SEO used in content from some time ago may have less impact on the results you see today. Of course, this is just a hypothesis based on a thing I read a few months ago that I can’t even tell you the name of lol

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    This has the bonus side effect of being able to ignore any news that happened since 2023 to gaslight yourself into thinking that we’re not all living in a hellscape of a world

    • @kernelle
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      I know its a joke but using Google dorks has always been the most effective way of searching. There was a period of like 4 or a bit more years where you didn’t need them anymore because engines actually got good. Now though they’re more useful than ever.

  • helena
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    dead internet theory is becoming more and more real

  • @expatriado
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    nowadays, all tabs look like the shopping tab

    • @[email protected]
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      Commercialization of everything.

      That’s what inevitably happens when you give a mega corp like Google all of that power over you, your life, and your data by simply using their products. Ultimately, they then get to decide who you are and how you act. And it’s in their benefit to shape everything, including you, in their corporate image.

      People don’t notice how much they’re getting fucked on an individual basis until the consequences of the actions of millions or billions of people adds up and comes back around in the form of something stupid and obvious like Manifest V3, SEO everywhere, WEI, or the doublespeak “privacy sandbox” comes to bite you in the ass. Enshittification everywhere and even then most people still don’t care.

      We’re their cattle and we’re choosing to walk into a slaughterhouse with our eyes wide open. In more ways than one. As fun as the game is, I really do not want to actually live in Cyberpunk.

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        ive been saying this for 20+ years, and people still don’t fucking listen. fuck, apple users still exist!

        also: what about a ‘shadowrun’ campaign gm’d by a severely concussed Kurt Vonnegut as he dies of dysentery at the table?

    • @[email protected]
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      I would love to hack the local shitty news source and stick a shopping cart on their page…

      Nothing more, just subtle criticism to see how long it lasts

  • @merthyr1831
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    This beats using “reddit” because that site has also become full of ai generated and bot spam/product astroturfing

    • @[email protected]
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      And now Reddit won’t let me see the content while I’m on a VPN if I’m not logged in with some trite “whoa there partner!” bull.

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    Google’s slow demise is entirely expected late-stage enshittification.

    What is frustrating is that search is mostly a solved problem. Crawling and indexing are solved problems. Fighting adversarial SEO is a continuous task, that Google Search is essentially refusing to perform but is clearly cheap enough for an upstart like Kagi to do reasonably well (their only added-value is the aggregation and filtering of other indexers such as google and mojeek, and let’s be honest it’s probably 99% google’s index powering Kagi).

    This shows that the lack of meaningful competition in the space is actually merely a matter of capital. There are too many webpages to scrape, process, and save and nothing short of “indexing almost as much stuff as google” is going to cut it.

    In the software world we’re used to seeing FOSS alternatives to most things, because software’s capital costs are typically almost equal to manpower costs. However for search this doesn’t work, just like it historically hasn’t worked too well for some really expensive software (such as audiovisual creation tools, with the notable exceptions of Blender and to a lesser extent Krita).

    There should be a well-funded non-profit building and providing a high-quality, exhaustive, transparent and open-source indexing service for the world. It definitely sounds possible, and even rather easy in the grand scheme of things. Yet current economic incentives do not favor such models. However I do wonder if there are not options to be explored, such as distributed crawlers or even a distributed index (after looking it up, YaCy seems to be doing just that though at a glance it seems, uh, old and clunky). Or maybe the EU should finally put a real focus on meaningfully funding indigenous FOSS R&D so the enshittification process of American tech giants doesn’t crush us as well.

  • @The_Tired_Horizon
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    Just done 4 searches and got the exact same results regardless of “before:2023”

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      It’s because these are two idiots trying to sound smart. I have used pre-2015 searches, because sometime between 2009-2016 is when SEO in general started being used. The AI generation just kicked it into high gear. Stuff before 2015 at least appears to offer information that isn’t just reworded lists of advertisements.

    • @RememberTheApollo_
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      Yeah, tried it when this first got mentioned. Doesn’t do squat.

      • @The_Tired_Horizon
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        I imagine google have changed the settings.

        I also note Duckduck doesnt give great results these days either.

  • @chakan2
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    I started switching everything to duckduckgo. So far it’s been a much better experience.

    • @[email protected]
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      I set DDG as my default a while back and I’m finding myself having to open Google all the time to get results.

      • @[email protected]
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        I committed to using ddg for a couple years, finally quitting about a year back, and I have to agree. I found myself using bangs for nearly every search. Google is absolutely getting worse and fast, but I’m not sure there was ever a point where ddg had better results than Google. After all it’s just reheated bing.

      • @HollandJim
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        DDG gets their results from Bing

        • @jose1324
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          Yes. That’s why I said it

  • @[email protected]
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    Works great for old stuff, now how do I look up stuff on the bridge collapse near me last week?

  • @[email protected]
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    The new episode of the Better Offline podcast is the first in a three part series on the death of the web. I’m halfway through and would recommend it. It’s a good show just in general.

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    The year is 2235, and the warp drive has been invented. I go to search Google for the latest news on the tech but remember this old bit of advice from an old meme that was floating around almost 2 centuries ago I saw once while lurking in the Ancient Memes community. All I find are things taken from fiction. Only about 25% are factually accurate.

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      At this point, 25% is pretty solid.

  • @[email protected]
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    This only makes sense for a very limited set of things tho. The things where AI makes a difference are art stuff, news and creative writing stuff. What purpose do news from before 2023 have? Maybe for research purposes it filters out some bullshit but then you also miss out anything relevant that happened after 2022.

    • DaGeek247
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      I think you’ve got it backwards. This only excludes new information from the past two years. Literally everything else is majorly improved.

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        I believe they’re arguing that AI is particularly used in news, and when looking up news, you’re typically seeking current events, in which case excluding post 2023 content doesn’t work.

        In my opinion, the place I encounter AI content the most is in list content, not just clickbait lists but also stuff where multiple products are compared. If I’m looking up what laptop to get, AI articles pop up comparing 10 products with inaccurate and messy details, but also I don’t want to see old products.

        Also IMO, in many cases Google search has been useless for 6+ years now. I think it was around 2018 where I started ending my search terms in ‘reddit’ because the first few articles were poorly advised clickbait, especially when looking for any advice (Reddit of course went to shit anyway). Google is only useful now for navigating to popular sites that will inevitably float to the top of any search query due to popularity. The only other common use for me is correcting typos when autocorrect is stumped.

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          Not gonna spend a whole lot time arguing intent; you can see what was posted already.

          Per unexpectedhazard above;

          This only makes sense for a very limited set of things tho.

          I’m saying that news is a very limited set of things that you look up on google, and literally everything else will improve with this trick. Just because a single user only spends their google time looking up news articles does not mean that everybody does that. It might be of limited use for unexpectedhazard, but frankly, unexpectedhazard is an exception, not a representative example of most people.

          We all know google search has been shit for longer than two years, it’s just that before 2023 you could at least eventually find what you were looking for. These days, you can’t even do that.

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            Oops I misread your message. I interpreted you as saying that they had it backwards, meaning they thought it excluded everything before 2023.

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      Sadly, most of my searches need more recent answers. Software & hardware (when it comes to coding/tech/IT) and information about local businesses can change quickly and old information usually ends up being just wrong.

      Google is really, really letting me down and wasting a lot of my time these days.

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        I get that people think that but I just googled a really long serial number for a washing machine with no other context and the first result was the repair manual. So at least in my experience it seems to be okay.

        • @theparadox
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          I agree that certain types of searches work, and that for many of them limiting your results to past content can be useful. Unfortunately, it doesn’t help with the searches I tend to make. I edited my comment to clarify.

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      Not news. Things like recipes have been put through the AI filter to add a lot of useless crap. Try looking up “how to roast a chicken” and getting useable results.

      It’s always someone’s life story when all I want is a discussion of the cooking process. That content is hard to create. It’s a lot easier to just have AI make up a fake life story.

      • @Wild_Mastic
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        That’s why I’ve started using ai with web scraping abilities for my searches nowaday.

        Find me how to roast a chicken, and make an instruction list

        if I get decent results, double check the source site just to be safe and you’re set. Basically fight fire with fire.

        It sucks? Yes, adding another layer of complexity for filtering bullshit is not useful at all.

    • @[email protected]
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      It also makes a difference for historical, medical knowledge and basically everything tha you can attach an affiliate link onto (e.g. product reviews), so… My guess is that covers a huge amount of searches.

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        and basically everything tha you can attach an affiliate link onto (e.g. product reviews)

        Y’know, something you’d want up to date results for so you’re not potentially buying older worse products.

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          It seems like every new product is worse than shit that was out 5 years ago anyway. Less functional, shorter lifespan, etc. Especially electronics.

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            But it does mean that the reviews you based your decisions on are for old models (that may have sense been upgraded or changed) or discontinued products.

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              Yes, but if you listen to the ‘reviews’ now, all you’re getting is the regurgitated product description compared to the product description of the other contenders. Except instead of the two sentences that were the original description, you get a five sentence opening about the topic, Somewhere between 12-15 sentences about the product that don’t add anything relevant (repeat)^ (for each product), and then a conclusion that’s random, arbitrary, and probably influenced by money.

              At least with the older models I can see real information if I can find real reviews. If I have to extrapolate from there to today, I’m still better off.

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            I’m a computer guy, 90% of the things I’m gonna wanna see reviews for are ABSOLUTELY things where older means worse. A review of a year+ old cpu, for example, is absolutely meaningless to me, I wanna see how good the bleeding edge stuff performs.

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              I’m a “computer guy” as well and I don’t nearly have the need for all he bleeding edge stuff. Especially for server, budget/used options, homelabs and open source software (where the drivers aren’t optimized yet), older hardware is way enough for the job.

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                Sure, but I don’t need reviews for that stuff. I would’ve already seen those when they were actually, y’know, new.

                The bleeding edge stuff isn’t stuff I personally need nor can afford. I just like learning about the newest and greatest tech.

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    Just imagine - everyone who write content that’s worth anything these days start dating their newest posts as if they were written in 2023, creating a community within still frame of a better time. It’s like Old School RuneScape, but for the internet.

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      For what? DDG results are just as bad, if not worse.

      Ironically I find myself using Bing more often than not, for it’s Copilot AI. It has a tendency to just repeat the same incorrect information when it can’t find what you want, but it’s still better than anything I get from a search engine, that is, not without adding site:reddit.com to my queries, and for obvious reasons, I don’t want to have to keep doing that.

      Please share your secret. What magical unknown search engine are you using that is immune to AI-generated nonsense?

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        DuckDuckGo primarily uses Bing results, mixed with a few other smaller sources. Kagi (paid) uses AI, but in a way that benefits the user, not the advertiser. They were an early adopter of AI.