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Pope Francis has been told by a Filipino Catholic university student to “stop using offensive language” against LGBTQ people.
Slurs cause “immense pain”, Jack Lorenz Acebedo Rivero said during an online video panel with other Catholic university students and the pope.
His comments come after reports that the Pope used extremely offensive language against gay men during a closed-door meeting last month with bishops.
He later apologised to those who were “hurt” and the Vatican said he did not mean to offend anyone.
The Pope reportedly said gay men should not be allowed to train for the priesthood, adding there was already an air of frociaggine, which translates as a highly offensive slur.
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That’s like the tiniest tip of the tiniest iceberg when it comes to the things the pope should stop doing. He should stop doing it anyway, but that’s one of the least harmful and yet still horrible things he’s attached his name to.
What are some of the harmful things that he’s attached his name to? I’m out of the loop…
Seriously? Aside from heading an organization responsible for 2000 years of overall misery, we can talk about some of the recent stuff:
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Continuing to cover up for and defend pedophile clergy.
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Not demanding that diocese pay the money they are told to pay in court over pedophile cases rather than challenge it.
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Saying that victims should report to the church, not the police.
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Telling people in HIV-ridden areas of Africa that condoms are sinful.
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Catholic hospitals which refuse to perform abortions, even in emergencies where the woman will die.
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Sitting on a golden throne in a magnificent palace full of priceless artwork while millions of his faithful starve.
I can keep going…
Gestures broadly
A Catholic friend of mine once told me that while it’s good that there has been more of a focus on sexual abuse from Catholics, there was also incredibly harsh corporal punishment when he was in Catholic school. Also very damaging to children. And I am guessing that at least some of those unmarked graves in the Catholic “residential schools” for indigenous peoples were children who were beaten to death.
Oh I’m sure. When I was in Catholic elementary school in the late 70s and early 80s, there was still a paddle on display in the office. Whether it was still put to use or not, I can’t say, but as children, it was pointed out to everyone, and we all feared it. The administration actively failed to dispel any myths about it, so even if they weren’t still beating children with it physically, they still were mentally.
To be fair, this was the case in my secular(-ish) public school as well and I believe it was there until the early 2000s. The catholic church has many sins (which Squid did a great job laying out above), but I don’t think they, as a group, endorse the concept of corporal punishment like they do with anti-choice practices or the rampant pedophilia. That’s a cultural issue with certain regions of the US.
There are even public schools still using corporal punishment, although the school has to have approval from the parents.
they take the anti-choice concept far beyond abortion. we can’t afford to be a planet full of sheep.
Deceased fetuses and new borns go to hell since they aren’t baptized.
even in emergencies where the woman will die.
I seriously can’t understand this. I mean I’m not even particularly pro-choice but what the fuck is going on in these people’s heads?
Catholics believe the principle of double effect could act as a moral compass here.
In a direct abortion, the intended effect is to end the life of the fœtus. There are probably other medical procedures that could achieve the desired effect of saving the life of the mother, unfortunately I’m guessing they are not sought out due to cost and the low likelihood that both lives would be saved.
Well, they see women as lesser and crave control, among other factors.
The main thing is they literally see it as murder no matter what, so they apply the biblically relevant murder rules to it. No ambiguity. And they see everyone else as literal murderers when they have had to go through with it. It certainly doesn’t help that they also see women as lesser and as needing to be controlled by men, but equating it to murder is still the main driver against it for them.
Yes that’s a big factor as well. I need to remember to not always get so cynical.
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The catholic church
We should make a deal with the pope: reverse the centuries of cis heteronormative church doctrine, and in exchange you get to say frociaggine all you want. I think this is a fair trade.
It was the bundle of sticks word, but in Italian. In case anyone else was curious.
Love the way you said that. Reminds me of a simpsons ep where Martin was explaining strength in numbers by breaking one stick then attempting to break a bundle but using the correct word
Apparently flashing the dictionary definition of the word on screen was a requirement from Fox to allow them to air the scene, in an extremely rare case of that kind of thing actually making it funnier.
I was not aware, nice, ty.
It was the bundle of sticks word, but in Italian
I think an italian bundle of sticks has a different, but still bad, connotation
Such a cool symbol, both from a visual and symbolic point of view. Extremists ruin everything.
What’s funny is that this word in French is not a slur at all, it just means a bundle of wood
Credit to this student.
Remember when people were pretending this pope is so progressive. Ha! He’s a bigot just like all of them.
He is progressive when compared to other popes and the Catholic Church in general. Take that as you will.
Nah he’s just old as fuck.
I see it more that he’s progressive despite his personal biases, which is admirable.
Catholic priests are supposed to be celibates. It seems they’re celibate in body but not in mind? It reminds me of following the letter of the law but not the spirit.
😂
Human says something
Or stop asking a cult leader of a religion that rather have LGBTQ stone to death to talk nicely.
You can’t reason with fascists.
Don’t tell the pope to go against his religion. Bless you pope Francis.
