What is your opinion on these games?

Race for the Galaxy seems to be the original game, that deserves it‘s praise. But do you still think it‘s good by today‘s standards?

How does it compare to Roll for the Galaxy? Is the latter a more approachable version but lacks depth, like more beginner friendly dice versions of other games?

But that seems to be the case for Jump Drive, right? So far, this one looks like a family friendly approach, while still being awesome enough for more experienced players.

But then there‘s New Frontiers from Lehmann, another space themed game! This one looks a bit like an easy 3.5X game, right? Looking back, do you think all of them are worth buying? If you had to choose only one, which one would it be?

  • @BigilusDickilus
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    141 year ago

    Oh man, this is my question!

    I own all of them except for Jump Drive (which I have played), so I can give you a short answer and a longer answer. In short, they absolutely hold up in my opinion, they are all good to very very good depending on your tastes, they share a lot of concepts and symbology so once you know one its really easy to pick up others, they also tend to not stick if you are picking them up cold without someone to teach you.

    1. Race - the classic. I have played this game more than any other in my collection probably (especially if you consider the app version which is phenomenal). I first tried this game very early in my boardgaming career many years ago and bounced off it as it didn’t click at all, and it basically felt like solitaire at the time. It wasn’t until a buddy who loved the game taught me that it clicked. I then taught my then girlfriend (now wife) and she fell for it hard (and is now kind of a monster at it), we were abroad for our wedding and went to a boardgame cafe during that trip and actually played the french version of Race there and there were absolutely no issues (I still call Galactic Trendsetters: Trendset Galactique). The game is beautiful in it’s simplicity, there is no writing on the cards besides their name so its language independent, and you can easily get through a game in 15 minutes and still have a deep satisfying experience. It can feel isolating, but the interaction comes in once you figure out it actually is a race and that you are trying to predict what action the other players will choose and try to read the table to figure out how you can benefit more from their selections than they are benefiting from yours (this is the common theme of the series). It is also a game where a 25 to 17 victory can be just as impressive as a 80 to 60 victory it just sort of depends on what your opponent is doing and what cards you see and can effectively use. My only complaint honestly is that as an engine builder it tends to be over before you can really enjoy your engine too much, but that just makes you want to play another game. There are a number of expansions, I tend to go with Alien Artifacts (but I don’t use the extra mechanics, I just like the cards), in general i dont use the extra mechanics from the expansions. I also pretty strongly prefer Race with just 2 players.

    2. Roll - This one also did not click with me the first time I played it (after the first time I tried race, but before I was properly onboarded to it). Roll is possibly my favorite of the bunch. It has a lot in common with Race, but the dice pool mechanic is a lot of fun and it has the most tactile and worker placementy feel of all of the games, we call it space yatzee sometimes. The dice placement gives the game a bit of a spacial element. Roll is my probably my favorite for larger groups, it tends to play in about 45 minutes or less, and gives you a bit more time with your engine which I like. I have both the expansions, but I havent actually integrated Rivalry into the game yet which I believe improves the two player experience (already quite good) a bit.

    3. New Frontiers - this is RftG’s Puerto Rico to Race’s San Juan. This is the beefiest entry of the series with games easily going over an hour and often taking up to 2 for a full table. It has the most boardgamey experience of the lot and gives plenty of time to develop your empire. I like this game a lot, I have also played it far less than I have either of it’s predecessors, but it is always welcome on the table. It does have some square edges, and could possibly feel a bit incomplete in a way that I am sure an expansion (upcoming) would address, but I would still recommend it without reservation. It is honestly probably the most accessible of the group for someone who is familiar with boardgames, but new to the series as both of the first two can feel like spinning your wheels if you don’t really understand why you are doing what you are doing. FYI, the box for this game is larger than standard so if space is a big consideration for you, keep that in mind.

    4. Jump Drive - I have played this once, I would play it again, but it doesn’t really fill a niche for me. It is a much simplified version of Race that is a better family option if you need that. I could well see myself owning it at some point, but while it seemed neat it didn’t really do too much for me.

    I dont know what I would jump in with if I were approaching the series anew, but hopefully this is helpful for you.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 year ago

      This is super helpful, thanks! I’m also in the market for one of these 3.

      My fiancé and I really enjoy Space Realms, and we’ve played a decent amount of Dominion. She isn’t into games with large setup/tear down, and we have a 1 year old which makes finding time challenging.

      Which of the three do you think we should consider?

      • @BigilusDickilus
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        11 year ago

        I would start with classic Race in your circumstance, setup is just fishing out the homeworlds and shuffling (a big deck so that is a bit of a task). Again, there is a learning curve at the beginning before the game clicks, but it is quick, its a small box (that could be smaller if you wanted to hack together something), and you can literally just shovel it back in there if you needed to move on quickly.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      31 year ago

      Thank your for your awesome writeup, BigilusDickilus. If you had to choose one, which would you pick? They all sound awesome!

      Initially I prefered Jump Drive to play with my wife and kids. The RftG design looks a little bit outdated. But your description made me reconsider, they sound great.

      On the other hand New Frontiers could be the 3.5X-lite space themed game I‘m looking for (I‘m considering Gaia Project, but it doesn‘t have fleets, Eclipse, but it is too heavy, Tiny Epic Galaxies is too light, Warp‘s Edge is too expensive and not available in German, … sigh).

      • Rob B
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        41 year ago

        @squidsarefriends @BigilusDickilus

        Hard to say, I would caution that the games tend to be at most 3x (exploration, expansion, exploitation) although there can be some direct conflict in race depending on the expansion used.

        I might suggest jump drive as a test to see if the other games would make to your families table regularly enough. The upside would be that if it sticks a lot of the symbology is directly transferrable so it should make it a lot easier to pick up any of the others.

      • @Raged_norm
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        21 year ago

        It’s nowhere near a 4X, barely a 1X IMHO. It’s a engine building game.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          11 year ago

          I wrote 3.5X-lite because it looks like you explore new planets and technologies, expand on them, exploit them and fight against other players…? Ofc we‘re not talking about Twilight Imperium here, that’s why I wrote „lite“ but I‘d love to see New Frontiers giving me a feel of that. I could be totally wrong, I never played it, only saw the pics on bgg.

          • @Raged_norm
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            21 year ago

            There’s no fighting other players in New Frontiers, exploring is abstracted to drawing from a bag, exploiting is two actions and expanding is paying the relevant cost for the tech/world

      • @BigilusDickilus
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        21 year ago

        Eclipse is not actually that heavy once you get it going, and if you have an experienced group it flows very well. My wife is not a super crunchy gamer and she gets really into it, fwiw.

        One thing to keep in mind with the Race games is that there is no map, and exploration is thematic, but it is still kind of abstract.

  • HipPriest
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    31 year ago

    All I know is I learned RFTG this year on the app with a friend teaching me via discord and it was a tough ride but worth it!

  • @[email protected]
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    31 year ago

    I’ve played Roll for the Galaxy and New Frontiers. I much prefer Roll. Turns in Roll are taken simultaneously and cuts down on waiting. It’s efficient and easy to learn. New Frontiers is clunky. The military strategy especially seems quite overpowered and gameplay becomes repetitive.

    • Rob B
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      11 year ago

      @Finnbarr @squidsarefriends you take your turns simultaneously in both games. Also military tends to be overpowered only when you let it be. If someone is going military then they tend to have predictable needs. Are you feeding them explore and settle actions? Or are you letting them provide you with those while you produce and consume without it helping them?

  • @[email protected]
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    31 year ago

    Race for the Galaxy will always be good enough for today’s standards! It really is a classic.

    But if you are completely new to the series then Jump Drive is the safest place to start. It’s a simple but solid game and like you said it’s reasonably family friendly. It is a great way to get used to some of the symbology. You may also find that it’s all you really need, or that this type of game is not for you. At worst you are only out of about $20.

    All of the games are available on BGA and some also have apps. If you are open to experimenting with the digital versions then Jump Drive on BGA is the first thing I’d try. Next I’d try the Race for the Galaxy app (would start with the app in this case because it’s easier to experiment there while learning).

    One more game worth considering is Res Arcana by the same designer which is also playable on BGA. It’s another take on some of the ideas of RFTG. Plays quite differently but shares the race to the finish aspect.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      1 year ago

      That‘s some great advice, thank you so much!

      And yes, I own Res Arcana and love it! After that, when I bought Terraforming Mars Ares Expedition people compared it to RftG. This Lehmann guy (and his silly BGG pic) often times pops up, when I research interesting games. Today in a podcast people praised Jump Drive what convinced me to take a deeper look into Lehmann‘s games.

      • @[email protected]
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        31 year ago

        That background info helps. If your group is comfortable with Res Arcana and Ares Expedition then you could jump straight into RFTG fairly safely too.