I have most of the Fediverse-based account and seem to have just gravitated towards Lemmy over Kbin as found it very confusing, What makes you prefer Kbin over Lemmy or any other Fediverse instances?
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Came for the UI. Stayed for the granular settings (including turning federation on and off) and the content just seemed higher quality (though that is very subjective)
Fair enough, I seem to find it confusing as of the moment but I’ll give it a proper go to see if I prefer it in the end.
How is it confusing? I’ve tried both and neither were hard to use, I purely picked Kbin for aesthetics.
It seems like there is several buttons at the top that confuses me as well as it seems to have lots of features that I’ll have to learn. I wouldn’t mind learning more of it especially if it brings a overall better experience in the end.
For me it’s more straight forward than Lemmy, possibly because of the UI. I still can’t find content I want, but overall it’s easier than lemmy and I can’t really put my finger on why. It’s interesting to me that you have the opposite impression!
I guess my thoughts are I can deal with the simpler UI, It doesn’t have anything on the screen without a specific use. I guess Kbin would be the same just has so much more on the screen than Lemmy does what I guess would overwhelm me.
I’d say the best way to look at it is if you’re enjoying your experience over on Lemmy, then there’s absolutely nothing wrong with sticking with it! c: This is one of the major upsides to federation, since different places can appeal to different wants or needs from their users!
That said, if you are curious about Kbin and wanna learn more about it, don’t be afraid to! The extra toggles or buttons can certainly be intimidating at first when you aren’t sure what they do. But in my opinion, one of the biggest draws for a website is having options! There’s a whole lot of good in a site that lets you make your experience more your own than simply being one-size-fits-all, and Kbin certainly offers that in a few different ways! I can’t speak for Lemmy on that front, but maybe they have similar options as well.
Apologies for the rather lengthy reply, but if you’re still curious about Kbin and some of its functionality, there is this post https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/52838/A-starting-guide-to-kbin-social-support-thread-for-new-users over on the KbinMeta magazine. It is a smidgen dated though since there have been some updates since, so if you still have questions or are still confused by something on here, don’t be afraid to ask! People are very helpful on here c:
Thank you, you’ve been so useful and don’t worry about the long message it’s what these are for.
Which UI?
ETA: asking since people will see this across the fediverse, and may not realize where you posted this
Just the mobile website works pretty well by itself. I’m using the Artemis beta now and I like it a lot too.
I can’t wait for Artemis!
Hi from Artemis 🫡
It’s pretty great.
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yay :D
@numbscroll Good point. Kbin.
Extra features like (apologies for the run-on sentence) being able to see upvotes and downvotes on threads and comments like lemmy admins can, better integration with mastodon, every community has both a ‘reddit-like’ section like Lemmy/Reddit, and a ‘twitter-like’ section which as I mentioned integrates with mastodon via hashtags, we can block users, communities, domains and (soon) instances, we have a wide variety of user-style scripts via Tampermonkey to customize the UI (the base UI is also, subjectively, better).
Given its all federated, you also don’t lose anything by using kbin since you have access to lemmy too. Plus the dev is just the nicest, hard working son of a bitch lol.
Only drawback is we dont have an API yet, so for mobile you’re stuck with the mobile site, but the mobile site is also really good so eh. Once the API is up tho there’s a few apps which have already said they’ll support kbin as well, so that’s a matter of time.
@GeekFTW Seems like the API is close … https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/p/903221/kbin-s-API-is-coming-soon-I-ve-finished-up-all-of
Ooooh perfect!
Thank you for breaking it down for me, seems like it’s really up to if someone wants better control over things than Lemmy currently does.
Do you recall which mobile apps were going to support kbin?
If my (usually shite) memory serves, I believe I Artemis, Boost, and Sync, but I may be wrong.
I rage quit Lemmy when I saw the developers of it defending genocide. Previously I had heard about that through the grapevine and thought I could hold my nose and use Lemmy anyway but when I read the actual discussion it made me sick.
Plus I know the language kbin is written in so I can contribute better to kbin.
This is when I came over to kbin. Never saw it myself but was warned of it.
The kicking-off point was that I actually had created two communities and made a post in each one talking about how I was toying with the idea of using the Reddit API to mirror posts into them from the subreddits of the same name and then they magically disappeared (I assumed deleted by admins). So I dug into it and asked @feditips and was told they don’t recommend Lemmy for those same reasons.
Turns out it was a weird nuance of language settings that hid them from me, despite being a mod of the new communities. So they are still there, but now I’m SERIOUSLY questioning the capabilities to moderate if I couldn’t see posts because of language selection, especially my own posts.
Yeah I’ll have to look into that as if they are accepting not only Genocide but possibly the Genocide of Trans people then I’ve got to get out quick due to being a Trans Person myself.
I answered this the other day over at asklemmy so I’m going to cut n paste:
Why I joined
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had a more intuitive interface
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had a better aesthetic
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had a much cooler name
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the dev seemed like a cool guy
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before federation it felt exciting like being on the ground floor of something
Why I stayed
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has heaps of cool features and functions that are easy to use, like seeing upvotes, better blocking
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I like the Mastodon interface too
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turns out the dev definitely is awesome and everything is very open
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it has a really chill community
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I still just like it more than the various Lemmys
Thank you, I will decently look further into Kbin a lot more as it seems like a good Instance.
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For me it was the UI. Replies to comments on Lemmy are offset by, like, a single pixel. They’re more obvious here. Yup, that was the biggest thing for me.
Yes, that was the first thing I noticed about Lemmy. Why even have nested comments if they’re indented so little? Terrible!
Kbin is better but I still needed to make it even bigger before I was satisfied. And add collapsing comments.
Fair enough, I seem to prefer the Lemmy UI so far but I’ll give Kbin a good go.
Used Lemmy first and the Jerboa app. It felt familiar and I wrapped my head around in in a day or two.
Then I learned about the devs philosophies and just decided i didn’t personally want to use their program.
I swapped to Kbin and have found the community to be very wonderful and engaging. I found the UI to be very clean. I also love the built in mastadon support.
Kbin is much younger than Lemmy, so things can only improve from here!
It’s good to know that Kbin is newer than Lemmy, probably hints why some of it needs a bit of work but I have enjoyed the two seconds of usage I have had on it. Also, I’m only just learning now about the stuff that Lemmy has done, Not sure it’s been suppressed or people are just not informed, I will look further into Kbin thank you.
I’ve seen “kbin is confusing” a few times, and frankly can’t imagine any aspect of it that is confusing at all.
Neither. One of the reasons I’m here is it’s less confusing.
I didn’t stick with Lemmy long enough to make this point of comparison, but just as someone who never got into Twitter in the first place, the microblogging section is definitely taking some time to wrap my head around. That said, I really like that it’s there and I think it’s a major boon over lemmy. I hope community owners and moderators will get more microblogging integration options for magazines as Kbin advances.
I personally feel like it seems cluttered but that’s from the first look as I’m sure it has plenty of helpful tools in the whole program. Lemmy seems to just have what you need and only that meaning after learning the basics you don’t really have much more you can do. Seems like a stripped out social media in my eyes, not sure how Kbin is when you learn a little bit of it.
I had created a Lemmy account at the beginning, not having a clue about things (like so many of us). Then I ran into someone suggesting Kbin - had to search around to figure out where it was and how to get it. The early stock UI for Kbin won me over vs. Lemmy’s, even though the content was (more or less) the same. With lots of scripting to customize the looks further and with features those scripts or default that Lemmy users are asking for at the moment, I’m very happy here.
Am I getting the same as any other Lemmy user? I think it comes and goes (it seems to vary between Lemmy instances too), but that’s a matter of maturing the federation workings, and I get plenty as it is so it’s not like there’s nothing to see. Plus when I need more things to look at I can jump over to the microfeed tab and get lots to read as well from Mastadon.
Yeah from my research it does seem like Kbin might have more to be able to do on it and I can see why people enjoy it. I really enjoy the statistics on Kbin and wish they came to Lemmy but I much prefer the UI / UX of Lemmy, it’s just clean and simple.
I like the user interface of kbin, and I just hate the name lemmy. Only one thing in this world should be called lemmy.
Yeah I agree, Lemmy is such a strange name for the platform. As I look more into Kbin I do enjoy it a bit more in some areas but the simlicity of Lemmy’s Interface is so cool to me but I do see some useful features on Kbin.
Preferred the stock UI of Kbin, then I found out about userstyles and am in love with them. I’m a big fan of the microblogging, as it’s a place for posts that don’t warrant a full thread, but can still spark discussion. The politics of the Lemmy devs disgust me, so I’d rather not use a site using their software. Public upvotes/downvotes are great IMO, lets things be more transparent (like for instance I upvote all my posts, without it being public no one would know), plus it helps catch fake votes.
I also just find the name Kbin to be more catchy than Lemmy. Like GabeN, or k than.
Userstyles?
I mean, share?
They don’t work with Lemmy, but they’ve made Kbin very much like old Reddit.
Use these with Stylus
https://userstyles.world/style/10581/pretty-floating-subs
https://userstyles.world/style/10851/the-narwhal-kbins-at-dawn
https://userstyles.world/style/10288/kbin-itUse these with Tampermonkey (Greasemonkey for FireFox)
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469121-floating-subs-list
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/470285-kbin-kibby-avatars
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468898-kbin-redirect-dev
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469597-kbin-usability-pack
https://github.com/aclist/kbin-kes/raw/main/kes.user.jsThank you kind stranger 😁
Ooh thanks!
Thank you, this really has opened up my mind.
I made a kbin and a beehaw account originally, then left beehaw when they raised a ton of red flags about how incapable they were at moderating at scale. Then I made a Vlemmy account until the insurance just disappeared overnight. So at this point I’m on kbin exclusively by accident I guess, but I do like the default mobile UI and the Artemis app more than any of the current lemmy UI options (though I am waiting eagerly for Sync).
Curious what parts of kbin are confusing or more difficult to use when compared to Lemmy?
As far as I can tell, they’re mostly the same, especially coming from Reddit
I personally didn’t really use Social Media before moving over to decentralised systems, I think it might be the amount of buttons on screen as well as well as the renamed sections such as the Communities being Magazines.
aesthetics, mostly. and honestly it’s just the first place i’ve put my roots down, I don’t think I have any specific loyalty to one instance or another.
That’s fair, I know I’m just looking around to make sure find the place I want to stay with. As of the moment I’ve been trying Lemmy.world a lot but Kbin seems like a good second option for me at the moment just need to learn it.
Preference: Kbin, because of the UI / UX
But also: I have accounts on kbin, Lemmy and mastadon, my favorite part is switching when I need a different flavor of hot/active, or something’s going on with another server.
Yeah I do see the use of using multiple but I know that I will in the future prefer having a ‘Main’ and as of the moment it seems like my Lemmy will be that.
I’m currently trying both out, still deciding…
Same here, so far Lemmy seems to be the better option for me.
I’m kind of agreeing with you…but nothing bad against kbin though.
No it seems like a great platform, just feels overwhelming to me personally. I’m sure it has some amazing features that would make the experience of using it worth it.
As I move between the two options, I think I kind of prefer the “simplicity” of the Lemmy interface as well. I wonder if I should throw my hat in the ring and create a server myself?
For what’s it worth, I’m replying to you from Lemmy. It’s all federated so you can easily respond to Kbin posts from the Memmy app for Lemmy
Yeah I seem to perfer lemmy myself and seem to have ended up with a ‘Main’ Fediverse account being on Lemmy.world
I have kbin and beehaw(lemmy) and honestly every time I go to Beehaw, it errors out, serverside 50x errors. Sometimes I get a few link clicks, it’s just so erratic. I know I need to try joining another instance, but I liked that one when it was accessible lol. kbin has been solid for me, so usually I lurk here. I know other lemmy instances must be stable, I just haven’t tried them because kbin works for me.
That is completly fair enough, I personally find Lemmy.world stable but some other people don’t seem to have the same expereince. My guess is because of the location of the server.
Honestly, I feel bad for whining about it, because it seems to be working today fine. I am sure other instances are doing alright, I see enough Lemmy posts federated to know it’s not like… systemic… so I should have tried more before complaining. It’s just my personal experience with the one I joined.
With the option, I find myself having both beehaw and Kbin tabs open with little preference for either, which you’d think is redundant with federation, but idk. I do like that if one is down, there is a chance another is up.
That’s more beehaw than general lemmy. They are struggling with scaling.
