• @[email protected]
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    133 months ago

    Adding 10% hydrogen was perfectly normal in Germany for decades, since hydrogen was a waste product of many industrial processes.

    The question is: how the fuck is hydrogen supposed to be an economical solution? It’s really really expensive and burning it in a stove isn’t exactly efficient.

    • @[email protected]
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      73 months ago

      Especially as renewable energy costs continue to decline in the future, it’s hard to believe hydrogen will be competitive with electrification.

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        23 months ago

        As energy costs decrease, so does the biggest expense in electrolysis

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          23 months ago

          True, but I still can’t see delivering it directly to homes as ever being viable (other than a delay tactic). As long term storage? Yeah, that may happen.

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    I don’t know too much about this area, but I can’t help but feel blue hydrogen research is too little, too late.

    We should be focused on electrifying homes, offices, and factories ASAP with hydrogen research money. Stuff like aluminum smelting furnaces being powered by green hydrogen could be a great area of research, as could global shipping, which will probably need to run off eFuels, hydrogen, or nuclear going forward. This money doesn’t appear to be going towards that.

    I just don’t see homes as a viable branch of hydrogen research. Old, leaky gas lines, stuff not up to code, and a suspiciously close link to existing gas and oil companies makes this feel like it won’t hold water as a line of research when we have perfectly safe, carbon-free alternatives (plus, no risk of explosions or carbon monoxide from blended gasses)

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      23 months ago

      I’ve studied this (professionally) quite a bit, and I can confidently say you’re generally right.

      Blends up to 20% hydrogen or so are pretty straightforward and can be done relatively easily without having to spend hundreds of billions of dollars upgrading downstream equipment, but that’s only, optimistically, a 20% reduction in emissions. To get past that you need to replace most downstream burners, which will be very slow and cost a fortune. Better off going electric for homes

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        23 months ago

        Sounds like an set-up to ensure long-term dependency on natural gas mining, then.

        Sorry, we built our infrastructure assuming 80% natural gas, so we just have to mine more natural gas to prevent people from losing their ability to cook food. You wouldn’t want poor families to go hungry, would you?