I have, but I’m going through the Remake trilogy and my partner is watching me complete the game. As far as I know they have somehow stayed unspoiled this whole time, so I’m going to try to keep it that way as long as I can. I’m playing Remake on Hard to remember the story and delay until my next paycheck, but will zoom through as fast as I can to get any cool stuff I missed and then jump into Rebirth.
But I’m just curious, will they still enjoy Rebirth as much as I enjoyed the original games? Or do they change too many things for the sake of the meta-narrative? They are adamant they won’t play the original btw, they are watching me play for the story while on their phone, and I don’t think will be able to get past the old graphics and lack of voice acting, so I suspect the “This is a sequel, just play the original game” line I keep seeing on Reddit won’t fly for them.
At this point I’d say no, because it’s not complete. Once it’s complete it may. Some parts are much better done. Some are weirdly changed and don’t really make sense imo. I’m working off foggy memory at this point for how much it changed. But in the end, I’d say that you’d be better served by the original if you are ok with classic games.
In general I’d say yes if you like modern final fantasy where combat isn’t turn based and there is a lot more flavor to flesh out the world and NPC than games in the 90s could hope to perform. Pretty graphics, Decent overall voice acting, minigames that usually don’t overstay their welcome and you never feel caught up in one area too long. If you actually learn the various mechanics Id say the games are actually pretty easy overall, most people I see complaining don’t even know how combos work, or trying to button mash the same combo onto an optional boss.
90s (j)RPGs were a different breed all together compared to games today that have that title, so while knowledge of the first game would let you in on the fanservice and call back moments, those aren’t required and I’d be betting more than half of the people who played remake or rebirth never played the other FF7 games. In fact some players who did were upset that some characters or scenes were changed quite drastically because what was okay in '97 definitely would not be well recieved by wider audiences in '24
That second paragraph makes me feel a lot better. If my partner gets a better experience because they haven’t played the original, then hey, all the better lol. It’s the story I was most worried about, that by changing things they were making it worse for new players just to surprise old ones. But if they’re still keeping a good story, or hell making it better by updating for modern sensibilities, then that’s great.
I enjoyed them but personally not as much as the original game. I realize it and myself are leftovers of a bygone era but there was much more imagination and whimsy in the OG game compared to the new remakes. The storyline changes, like I get why they are doing it to some degree but I don’t really enjoy it. Changes to the story start almost immediately.
At any rate I’m an old codger, perhaps don’t listen to the hardliners. Enjoy what you enjoy.
Seems like a lot of variety of opinions. I wonder if my partner and I will come out of the story with two very different opinions. I’m going to try to hold back mine if I end up not liking the newer story as much as the older one, in case they do end up liking it a lot lol.
That’s proper.
Most of the story beats are still there. Most of the emotions from the OG are still there - except one thing. I’ll try to avoid spoilers but if you’ve played OG and remake, you should know.
The major change in the story itself is the continuation of something you saw at the very tail end of the first Remake, that probably made you go WTF, the meta-narrative you’re suspicious about. It might be a concept you don’t really like because it sounds like it’ll break the story, but it actually doesn’t concretely change anything until the end. The places, the events, the world, the mission are still the same. The most critical change that caused a lot of noise is a big cliffhanger that will only be resolved in the final game, when it was expected to be a big emotional hit now. It’s very clear that this is a trilogy, and expecting this game to end the same way as the OG caused a lot of distress. People who loved the OG for one specific reason or another might feel robbed by the way this game is pretending to change things, but actually doesn’t, but actually maybe yes - and you’ll only get the resolution in the last game. If that means something to you, maybe you should wait for the trilogy to be completed and treat it as a single game, because this part 2 is only half of the game you liked back then, and it might not have what made you love it - yet.
One big change in storytelling is what it focuses on: it gets much more into the psychology of Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, Barret, about mental health, trauma, and their relationships (in the same way they massively developped the Avalanche trio in Remake). Basically, they’re making everyone real human beings with a history and interactions. Now you understand from the inside of their head why they do or don’t do this or that. It also adds focus on some aspects and perspectives that only developed in the Crisis Core prequel and were not a thing in the OG. It’s a massive improvement on storytelling and world building (the world now has a history of geopolitics scattered everywhere in every side quests), but it looks like a lot of fans of the OG who expected things to go a certain way get hung up and slowed down by all the new details, and it feels like fluff or a change they don’t like. You clearly feel the stretch from one 50 hour long turn-based RPG into 3 action RPG that last 50 (remake) + 120 (rebirth) + 1?? (part 3) hours, and it’s a lot, and you might not like it.
It absolutely has tons of gaming content to enjoy, both in the characters and the absolute shitload of things and side quests and mini-games to do absolutely everywhere for a 120 hours playthrough and you don’t even see the time pass, but it might not be exactly what you felt in the OG. It’s a new perspective. I’ve seen among various streamers that the people who were the most confused by the ending are often the harder fans of the OG, and new fans see the details and hidden explanations that OG fans miss because they think they know what’s going on - and get blue-balled on what they came here for.
And then Sephiroth changes. We still don’t know if they’re whitewashing him by giving him a sad backstory and a big personal mission (the gacha game Ever Crisis that’s still ongoing is developing his time as a young SOLDIER) or if they’re making him an even worse guy, and so far it has the potential to ruin the character. We have to wait until it’s all resolved.
Also crossing my fingers they don’t white wash Sephiroth’s character too much 🤞 If they do, guess I won’t play that side gacha game lol.
Haha I think you nailed exactly where I’m coming from, what made me confused, suspicious, and what emotional beats I was hoping they wouldn’t ruin, like at the end of the OG’s disc 1 or a certain twist in disc 2 (which I know we haven’t gotten to yet, but it’s probably why I won’t show them Crisis Core Réunion until after the third in the trilogy, because I heard it blows that twist). It sounds like the creators of the game might be causing this distress to me on purpose, but it doesn’t change as much as I think, which would be great, that would be perfect lol. Especially if it really only affects me because I’ve played the original, without it sacrificing a good story for my partner who hasn’t played the original. I don’t want it just to be a commentary on remakes or something, because while that would be cool for me, that wouldn’t mean anything to them. But if they still get a great experience, too, hell, even a better experience than me, that would be even better. Because I still have the original, I’ve already fallen in love with the world and the characters. I want a new generation of fans to feel that, too, without needing a PSN Premium subscription lol.
I absolutely loved the way Remake delved more into the various characters and how it treated all of them with respect and love, they felt like real people but still felt unique. Barrett was silly but still cool and passionate. Cloud was edgy and a badass but he had his occasional soft side. Tifa and Aerith’s budding friendship is so nice and they both have great relationships with each other and Cloud. And I loved the additional detail on the Avalanche trio. Remake was actually absolutely perfect for me, it’s exactly the right addition of detail and I love it, and it’s gotten my partner interested in the world of FF7 for the first time, which is also great. It was only the end that made me cock an eyebrow, like you said lol. If Rebirth is more of that, which it sounds like it is, I’m so excited! It makes me want to get the game right now.
Thabks for the amazing, detailed answer. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Related to the end: while it made me kind of worried about what it hinted for changes in the next game (especially one scene at the very end I thought was a big deal about revealing a certain character which would cause huge ripples) my partner had no qualms. They got the general idea that something happened before, but it’s changing, which I guess to them would probably just be like any other prophecy based plot, and just kind of left all other questions to be answered in the next game. I suppose that’s not too different from where I was when I left Midgar in the original, though.
The only thing you’ll miss out on is knowing the original story because it does change things a bit. Other than the main plot beats, it’s a totally different game.
Would they enjoy it as much as you enjoyed the original …? Maybe. Maybe not. There’s a whole slew of other reasons why FF7 was such a massive hit back in the day, and Rebirth does not have that kind of impact amidst other, modern games. Gotta remember that in 1997, FF7 was the most epic RPG available. Games these days all tend to have stories just as epic and large.
Darn that’s too bad. There are certain things I experienced the first time playing I’d love for them to experience, too.
I didn’t enjoy the story changes. But the game was fun in and of itself. The big thing is the story doesn’t land the same way bcz they kind of shove it in your face. The subtlety of the original with sephiroth being this huge shadow villain in the original is lost. You fight him so many times in the game that it kind of loses it’s meaning.
You only fight Sephiroth at the end. But he does lurk around more often, harassing and taunting you.
Yeah, and you fight him like 5 times. And you fight him in part 1, which doesn’t happen either. They throw him in your face like you’re supposed to already know who he is, and it just really cheapens the story.
Not really, it’s just a different story you get to know him through. The first time he appears in Remake, Cloud is having a massive PTSD flashback to a burning town, and then you see that Cloud has a raging hateboner against this ghost that he’s obsessed with and sees everywhere, mistaking his sick neighbour for him and trying to murder him on sight. Until he shows up for real and he’s involved with those weird shadows that few people can see and he acts ultra criptic and he makes no sense. It doesn’t expect the player to know him, you just see Cloud’s PTSD through his eyes, it’s a madness and an obsession that’s just hurting his head, it doesn’t matter if you know him or not. Beyond that, it’s part 1 of a trilogy, you’re expected to wait for the next 2 parts to learn more about him and why Cloud hates him. Even at the beginning of Rebirth, he’s the mysterious ghost whispering lies in Cloud’s ears, making him doubt reality and go full “lalala you’re not real” PTSD paranoia. People who know the OG, and people who don’t, see his presence very differently.
It’s not that you meet Sephiroth early and you’re supposed to know who he is, it’s that Cloud is crazy and you’re supposed to doubt him. That gets stronger and stronger in Rebirth - you’ll definitely start part 3 with Barret, Tifa, Yuffie convinced that Cloud is completely gone and lost, Barret’s getting ready to take Old Yeller down, he’s just waiting for Tifa to give up. I think that’s a much stronger story today.
Some things they do better, other things they don’t. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
