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Why would anyone in their right mind want to upgrade to Windows 11? The only valid reason is you want to play an online multiplayer game that uses kernel level anti-cheat.
So in other words, switch to Linux, never look back, bever again use anu Microsoft software or product. Done.
People talk about Linux as if it’s easy to use for most people. Also the reason I never switch to Linux is cause of the annoying Linux people who won’t shut up about Linux
It feels like screaming into the void on Lemmy, but until there is official support for peripherals I use every single day (looking at you stream deck and GoXLR) I will likely never switch to Linux as my only OS. Dual boot on different drives on the other hand…
I’ve spent much of the day trying to get Yunohost/Debian running on my old 2011 MacBook.
It’s much quicker and easier to install the latest macOS on it, and that ain’t right.
Yupp, Linux it is
I will not be upgrading to W11. Some time between now and when they sunset W10 I will be switching to Linux.
Im sure Win10 will get unofficial patching etc for some time yet
True but you really shouldn’t rely on that. If you must use Windows 10 you can always air gap it
I always gasp for air but that’s because I swim a lot, and by swim, I mean very fat
Or I could switch to Linux…
OH WAIT, I already did that, darn. Such a shame I can’t ditch Windows twice.
I would’ve, but Framework ships with your choice of OS (including none) so I didn’t have to switch twice!
You can, install it and uninstall it once again. Repeat until you’re sated.
PCs that can’t run Windows 11 are valuable to people who don’t want to wake up one morning and find they’ve been upgraded against their will.
Windows 10 will be EOL this time next year. You have one year to do something.
A lot of people will just be paying for 0patch for a while, I’m sure. The remainder will just not patch at all and hope for the best.
You also could just move to Windows 11 or Linux. Realistically Windows 11 isn’t that big of change. Windows 10 gas most of the same anti features.
On one hand, eff Microsoft and install Debian. It’ll run on a potato.
On the other hand, I look forward to the coming glut of secondhand PCs I can install Debian on.
As melon scratchers go, that’s a honey doodle.
I think we’re gonna see a dramatic rise in Linux systems in the coming years if Microsoft keeps this course. Nvidia have started upping their Linux driver game as well so it’s gonna be a breeze to pick up decent second hand systems and reselling them with a proper OS that’ll take us to the end of the world in 24 years.
Don’t you mean 13 years and 3 months? At least, that’s when the UNIX Epoch ends…
If you’re on a kernel newer than 5.6 (which is almost 5 years old now so you should be) you already have 64-bit time.
I think you’re massively underestimating the laziness of most people, and overestimating their level of concern. People. Don’t. Care.
Yeah I think you’re 100% correct but a guy can hope. For my country, if it’s gonna touch them in their wallets I guess we might see a change. On the other hand, most folks walk around with 8 year old fucked up laptops that desperately need replacing anyway so they’ll just get that new one after all.
My wife is more technical than all of her friends and family, plus she has me to help her understand stuff she doesn’t understand. Does she get concerned when I tell her all the fucked up shit these companies are pulling? Nope! She gets annoyed at me for being a downer. If she’s an above average user, and she doesn’t care, then how little do average users care? If I change her settings for her then she’s glad for it, but she won’t go figure out how to do any of it on her own. She just doesn’t care enough to spend the time doing that.
I am in the exact same position there. My wife uses her laptop only professionally now, she used to game on it but she has a Series S for that now. I once asked her if she wanted windows 11 on her laptop since it meets the requirements, she’s way to afraid it’ll be too different so switching to Linux will be too much of a hassle
I would have already put Linux on my wife’s computer, but she has a Surface Pro, and I’ve read that there aren’t any distros that will get all of the hardware for those working properly. I don’t want her first experience with a Linux system to be something that is inferior. But she started saying a couple weeks ago that she wants a gaming system, so I bought parts for one last week, and I’m going to put Linux on it after I build it. That’ll be a good introduction for her, and if she loves it then she’ll be a Linux convert!
I think primarily all the systems using like Skylake and Kaby Lake cpus will now flock to Linux after win10 support is over. The i7-7700K is still a beast so it’d be a shame if that becomes e-waste. I think we’ll see it getting used in home media servers and the like. My old i7-4770 is in my home server with Arch Linux and it does great.
Been reading this sentiment for twenty years now.
And yet it’s stayed true. Linux is above 1% on steam and rising every year, it’s never been easier to buy a Linux device, or install and use Linux for desktop consumer purposes, and even the tech uninformed know Microsoft is a bag of dicks.
Recent Linux gain is inflated due to Steam Deck. Their market share has been pretty stale for years at 1,5%.
That’s not really being inflated, steam deck and the prerequisite investment into proton is why most gamers can switch to Linux without encountering a single issue these days.
If that were the case, the market share at least should have doubled after people saw it was viable for desktop gaming. That didn’t happen. It only gained a predicted increase from the estimated sales of Steam Deck’s, which indeed inflates the desktop PC numbers.
So we don’t count Microsoft Surfaces running windows or windows (on arm)?
But this time it’s real! /s
Why would you scratch a melon? How would you even know if it’s itchy???
Can you scratch pumpkins too?
Thank you MS for working so hard to boost Linux market share.
Either way, you’re net positive.
🍥
My computer can’t upgrade to Win11 and I am buying a new one, but I’m putting Linux on it.
My computer can upgrade to win11. I clearly remember the vendor stating that when I bought it last year.
I’ll stick to linux, though.
Mine too. I tried 11 and went back to 10. Honestly, only thing keeping me on Windows currently is my plex*arr servers. Guess I have a year to figure out docker.
I cannot seem to find that setting in uefi to turn on that chip… Anyway, I keep trying to get my VR library (98 games) to register more than 3, and room setup is a major stroke of luck.
If there are any suggestions on a distro that will power my rtx 4070ti super, ryzen 7 3800, 32 gb ram, HTC Vive, on its own 4tb sata SSD, I would like to hear them. So far Kubuntu has gotten me the closest.
Just pointing out, Plex and *arr work on Linux too…
LOL.
I have parts on the way to build a new PC. Believe it or not, also Linux.
Put Linux on your old one.
That was actually the plan but my old computer broke and won’t boot up anymore. Powering it on causes it to enter a reboot loop.
Does it successfully POST? Can you get into the BIOS menu? If yes, the problem is probably the storage, either the boot sector is fuxx0r3d or the drive itself is dead.
It doesn’t reach the BIOS menu. It powers off about a second or two after turning it on and then it will turn itself on to start the loop. It doesn’t stay on long enough for the monitor to even display anything.
Okay yeah failure to POST is a bigger problem.
Get a new OS for free for your PC.
Just run windows 3.1 dual booted with Linux mint. Easily the most rational decision.
FreeDOS
This isn’t news, it’s just the standard notice that Microsoft isn’t going to spend time making their new shiny OS work on 10+ year old hardware.
You make it sound like an older gaming rig wasn’t powerful enough to run win 11. It’s not about the older hardware being too weak, it’s about enforcing their TPM bullshit with which they aim to gradually create an apple style walled garden where they control what you can do with your machine.
Shocked face
Its almost as if Microsoft makes money from new hardware
I dunno, I’ve got a laptop who’s CPU was too new for win 8.1 to have drivers or support for it, and is too old to put win 11 on it…
This is the first time they’ve intentionally cut off the ability to run their OS at all just based on hardware age when it could otherwise run it just fine.
Not dedicating support to old hardware is one thing, blocking it intentionally is something else entirely.
Oh, that laptop? High end gaming laptop that was 6 years old when Windows 11 released. The fact it’s blocked is flat out ridiculous, and defending it is equally ridiculous.
They want you to buy a new Windows license. Also all of there bloated Electron apps run better on fast hardware
idk, sounds like an ad for Linux to me
FTFY
New Shitty “Os”*
*(Legal Disclaimer “Os” is actually malware)
That’s not what anyone is asking and if that’s what MS said then they’re just dodging the issue entirely. If you buy a motherboard on your own today TPM still wouldn’t be enabled. And their “support” never went farther than hardware manufacturers registering where Windows could pull driver updates from. So that’s just the worst take I’ve seen in this whole thing.
After about 10 hours of reading and video watching, it seems pretty unanimous that linux mint with cinnamon is the easiest one to use and everything else is hobbyist stuff.
Decent choice, but I massively disagree with the last 6 words
Right? The easiest one is the hobbyist stuff, everything else is srs bsns.
I daily drove Linux Mint for 10 years. The Cinnamon desktop is still my favorite. I’m using Fedora KDE right now because of its Wayland implementation, I wanted better support for stuff like Freesync, mixed refresh rates, there’s even experimental support for HDR. Mint is just now rolling out any Wayland support at all and it’s not ready.
I’m actually at the point where I’d recommend Mint Cinnamon with X11 for Nvidia systems and Fedora KDE with Wayland for AMD systems. If it’s a work machine that uses integrated graphics and it’ll do spreadsheets and quickbooks.com all day, go with Mint it’s comfier.
Windows isn’t even that good. The OS is kind of a huge mess. It has two unfortunate advantages though: it’s the default on many devices, and (because of that) software availability is best. I wish it wasn’t the case.
It also has the benefit of inertia. Everyone knows Microsoft from either school or marketing. They are the standard and anyone else has to fight decades of standards. It also helps that they historically created the best tools for easily managing fleets on machines. Now days they are pushing everyone to Azure but before they had the best tools to build your business on. It was so convenient to have Windows server with all the server stuff like AD, SQL and IIS. They basically were they only well known option until the last 5-10 years.
PowerShell is another advantage, oddly enough, though I’ve been worried for a bit the direction they’re going with that… Everything they’re doing now is Azure and they’re pushing everything to Graph, and the way all of it works is a massive pain for anyone trying to use PowerShell the way it was designed to be used
python exists. dont subject yourself to vendor lock-in.
Python exists but I personally like PowerShell more. I’m not crazy about it being Microsoft owned, but it’s at least open source at this point, for whatever that’s worth.
I’ll just keep running Windows 10.
For 1 year at most. After that you need to either move to Windows 11 or switch to a different platform like Linux or Mac OS.
I mean, I’m on your side, but many of these people won’t do that at all. There’s people still running vista. I ran into a machine running fucking XP just two years ago. They’ll run 10 until they get ransomware, or the machine breaks physically, or it slows down from being resource hungry on old hardware. Maybe they’ll switch in the case of the latter if they can’t afford a new machine, or if something like “microsoft spying and pissing them off enough to ditch.”
We should encourage for sure but I wouldn’t hold out for most of them just yet. Best we can do is be here when they’re ready, they’re on lemmy they’re bound to install Linux one day, it’s in the contract we all signed as I’m sure you remember!
