A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump. Palestinian lives don’t matter to Trump, nor do they really matter to Harris; however in general, Harris will be better for Americans than Trump, so vote for Harris.
A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump.
Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.
Imagine if Nader didn’t run. Imagine there was no Green Party candidate for US President.
Gore would have probably won, and America would have been the better for it. Probably no Iraq war, maybe not even a 911. As a result Iran probably wouldn’t be as strong, and Putin probably would have less to legitimately oppose about the US, and would himself be seen as less legitimate—indeed Ukraine might still be whole today.
A new Green deal would probably be in full swing.
Granted, Harris doesn’t really care about Palestinians, and some elements of the Democratic party care even less; but Trump cares even less than Harris, and what he will do to the US will be worse.
So while Israel massacres civilians and steals more land, at least under Harris American women would still more easily get abortions, we will have fewer TGs committing suicide (maybe), and health care will be a little more universal.
Also with the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, the Big 3 will be able to better produce good inexpensive cars (as they’ve been at least somewhat intending these past several decades), and fascism will have less of a hold on the US.
Therefore: vote for Harris.
If you are a progressive: vote for Harris.
If you are an environmentalist: vote for Harris.
If you are a libertarian: vote for Harris.
If you support voting reforms such as proportional representation, rank balloting, the abolition of the Electoral College, and/or more political diversity: vote for Harris.
If you are nauseated at the idea of voting for Harris: take a barf bag with you while you vote for Harris.
If you are a Palestinian-American who has a relative who was injured, maimed, or even murdered, in Gaza, you should still vote for Harris, because again, Trump doesn’t care about them either, but at least you, as an American citizen, will get a better deal Harris than under Trump.
(I’m not entirely sure if I agree with all the above, but I find it hard to refute.)
This issue is far more Nuance then this post would have you believe…
Before I go on let me say I’m voting blue and want Democrats to win.
But if the only support you are willing to show our Palestinian and Arab brothers and sisters are these half hearted, backhanded, and condescending social media posts about how you know what’s best. Well, you are in for a rude awakening. People that actually care about genicide will just stay home on election day.
These comments and posts do nothing but prove we don’t care about each other, unless it personally effects us in some way. If you really care get off you ass and actual help the Palestinian and Arab communities! the least you can do is call your federal and state senators daily to demand they publicly condemn Israel and the IDF and divest from all institutions that give money to them. But no these posts and comments will get Palestinians and Arabs on our side? This is what conservatives do. We are better than this.
The most you should be doing is calling your senators, marching with anti zionest, getting partitions, and getting involved with the Palestinian and Arab communities to help. Show them the blue base cares and won’t abandon them the moment Harris or Trump is in office. I have Palestinian friends and they would spit in your face if you said this kind of bullshit to their face because of how absurd it is. Some comments call them selfish for people caring about the genicide of their friends and family and saying Trump would be worse. Ya no shit, but it wasn’t Trump that enabled the killing of 40k people in the last 12 months. That’s not accounting for the Yemen deaths we the democrats have enabled. You should be more mad at your own parties actions as it’s your vote that current has blood on it.
All I’m saying is these posts and comments aren’t helping anyone. Get involved. Don’t just post behind a screen and expect people to see the light. If we don’t care why should they?
I’m Canadian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Canada
We have a Liberal leader who is about as useless on this issue as Biden and Harris, a Conservative leader who’s a Trump-wannabe, an NDP leader who wants Canada to recognize Palestine, a BQ leader who might have similar sentiments, and 2 Greens who might be less pro-Palestinian than the NDP.
I also know a Palestinian. He’s a good man. I don’t think I ever talked about politics with him as I think he has a long enough row to hoe as it is.
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Yeah so I got downvoted for pointing out Michigan only got gerrymandering removed because it was a non partisan demand introduced via petition, and even then it took until 2020 to be passed as law because both parties fought back until the dems gave in when they realized it would help them win for the next election. And yes I still voted blue and I also voted for that measure.
Not only does this failure of a post completely ignore how people react to policy, it actually claims that the big 3 OEMs will manufacture cars worth a damn, let alone be inexpensive, which everyone in
DetroitSE Michigan, regardless of their political affiliation, will tell you is a load of horseshit.So I will be sitting here watching you fools do a repeat of 2016 since evidently no one learned from their mistakes.
Been saying Michigan will be red since last year just over the basic demand of maybe not funding a genocide.
I’m sure after no one believed Clinton’s liberal shilling, people will definitely believe in Harris’s local policies with her excellent history of state prosecutor.
If Harris loses, the first thing the DNC and all you corporate shills will do is blame 3rd party voting and not actually the fact that they refused to meet constituents’ demands. No one out here is voting 3rd party because they think they’re going to win.
The whole purpose of a Democracy is that you should be able to utilize your voting power to demand significant change. Harris already blew off the uncommitted movement, which means that:
- She thinks she can win without several millions of voters
- She has no issue losing to Trump if it means keeping Israel happy
At least a seasoned politician would try to maximize appeal if he/she knew their opponent was dangerous if he wins.
Flailing and talking about how Trump would be worse at the same time as willingly ignoring a significant portion of voters is not the marking of a quality campaign nor candidate. It only makes Trump sound less severe, and Harris sound more useless.
I can’t even imagine actually walking up to a Palestinian American with this argument in hand. Best case you get shoved away. Worst case scenario you get socked in the jaw.
I just got a call from “the spoiler effect” and it says you trying to give 3rd parties credit for all the hard work it and FPTP voting have been doing to ensure people’s voices aren’t heard.
Please watch the most important political video in the history of youtube:
It even has cute jungle animals!
I just watched it.
(It’s 6:30 long.)
It’s a good video. 🙂
I am fucking sick and tired of all these terminally-naive ideologues trying to destroy all of us with their purity-test-turned-suicide-pact.
Politics is compromise.
Except with fascists. You never, ever compromise with them.
The “compromise” that you vote for the DNC’s chosen one, or else!? That’s not compromise, broheim.
Trump must not win.
I don’t disagree with you there, but I do disagree with pretty much everything else you said.
There is only one way for him not to win, and it’s not by voting third party.
Voting third party is worrying about your flat tire while the car is in fire going 100 mph. Yes the flat tire is a very real concern but if the car blows up the flat tire won’t matter.
Ok
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Living thru this election is being strapped in a burning swerving greyhound bus and both drivers are fighting over the intercom about illegal trans-immigrant surgery instead of watching the road the intercom is broken but no one’s listening anyway we’re all screaming at the drivers cuz we’re crushing bodies left and right and anyway our hairs on fucking fire and then we realize (holy shit neither of these assholes will stop the bus) and we start struggling but the belts are too tight or maybe they’re the only thing keeping us from flying out the side and then while we’re fighting and burning we look out the window and we see a guy on the sidewalk and he’s holding a sign
BE
REASONABLE
If my only choice is one person that I don’t like, who nobody voted for in the primaries, then I question the assumption that I had a choice at all. Democracy? Is it?
First past the post needs to die. I challenge you to look up which politicians have tried to fix it, and which side of the current two-sided political climate they were on.
or at least add something like a run-off.
So many easy ways to fix it. Politicians just haven’t been interested, and it’s a shame we have to focus on things like the culture war, wealth divide, and etc vs just fixing our outdated political system. Especially in a republic that considers itself to be the bastion of democracy and freedom :/
Voting 3rd party or abstaining for progressivism is the biggest self own in history.
With Gore, there definitely wouldn’t have been a war in Iraq. For Afghanistan, who knows. Even if it started out the same, without the drain of Iraq who knows what would have happened long term in Afghanistan.
With Gore, there might not even have been a 9/11 attack. The Clinton administration knew about Al Qaeda and was already actively working against them. The bush administration on the other hand chose to ignore numerous warnings from the CIA that an unprecedented attack was coming and that urgent action was needed.
A quote from the then CIA director of counter terrorism: “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.”
But later when it came to the torture bit, the Bush administration was very hands on.
https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/
Bush had billions of personal reasons to allow a 9/11 type event. His family profited immensely from the wars that followed, and he used the event as a catalyst for the Patriot Act and other sweeping changes which he had ready to go. He and his ilk were waiting and hoping for a major event to usher in their new world order.
And even with 9/11 things could have been different. There was a chorous of people at the time calling for a new Manhattan Project-style focus on renewable energy. Why didn’t anyone hear it? W Bush’s chants of ‘Drill baby drill’ were much louder - obviously because he and his party were in charge.
Trump’s term was not inconsequential either. For one - he installed three ultra-conservative Supreme Court justices - whatever your left leaning stripes are sure you realize that was devastating to the causes you hold dear. They’ll rule for their orthodox conservative Christian capitalist darlings for the rest of their lives and we can’t afford another one like them.
A lot can change very fast in this world and I fear a lot of Americans don’t realize how serious and cruel life can suddenly get. The corruption that will be encouraged in another Trump administration WILL touch your life and it could be anything from higher expenses via his tarrifs and unclean drinking water via weakening the EPA, to your mom or sister or wife being denied life saving care and watching our environment go from bad to worse.
Voting 3rd party or abstaining for progressivism is the biggest self own in history.
Well said.
It’s amazing how it’s always up to millions of Americans to ignore their principles and vote Kamala to defeat Trump and never on just one person - Kamala Harris - to uphold the principles she claims to stand for (you know, not being a fucking Fascist) and stop supporting the sending of weapons and ammo to an ethno-Fascist State actively and shamelessly commit Genocide.
It’s almost as if whatever person gets the candidacy in the Democrat Party (which as we know since Bernie Sanders vs Hilary Clinton is really all about what the people in the DNC want) immediately become some kind of Monarch anointed by God Almighty himself and hence whose wishes are Immutable Law and beyond criticism.
The whole thing is a ridiculous display of mindless tribalism and brainless muppet mindset.
It’s amazing to me to hear that you believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that millions of Americans have any principles whatsoever.
There’s 350 millions of Americans and even if only 1% had any real principles, that’s still 3.5 million people.
Personally I don’t think the problem in the US is any greater lack of principles than anywhere else, but rather the constant brainwashing from the local Media environment and quite a lot of Stockholm Syndrome derived from being in the main de facto powerless in that deeply disfunctional political system (which, frankly, I’m not so sure qualifies as an actual Democracy).
It’s not giving up your principals, it’s living in reality. If candidate A will make the world perfect but would never get elected, you voting for them does nothing. And if you think Trump and Harris are usually as bad, and can’t acknowledge the risl he poses then you have your head in the sand. The man said people wouldn’t have to vote again, he wants to lock up news stations who say he things about him, he said he wants to be a dictator, he wants to just give Russia parts of Ukraine. Come on, seriously.
People need to look at options and see where they can make impact. Voting third party is saying %10 better isn’t good enough, I’ll vote for %100 better and risk things getting much worse. This is rigid morals causing more harm than good.
The term “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” has never been more true.
The sad thing is, at this point it should be a no-brainer, but here we are. Two weeks from what might be the single most important election of our lifetimes, and we’re STILL having to explain it to people.
Common sense can’t be taught, but one would think it should be learned by example. It clearly Isn’t.
the single most important election of our lifetimes
Americans are sick and tired of hearing this every four years. We want a functional government that isn’t on the cusp of destruction at all times.
America is too mixed (culturally, politically, religiously) for that. If you want a government that is stable you’ll need to move to a different country or invent some framework of cooperation in which an act (such as being gay or having an abortion or not wanting to pay as much in taxes to bomb colored kids in other countries for seemingly no reason) won’t be construed as blasphemy by those who see it as such. It’s an impossible ask that ignores the divide in who we are.
And now that actually fascism is at our doorstep people are too exhausted to care? We have to always care. Keeping a democracy in tact and free of corruption isn’t a set it and forget it system.
This is not the first time we’ve faced fascism, nor will it be the last. I didn’t say people are too tired to care, but they are sick of the hyperbole.
I get that, but if the risk is real is it really hyperbole? I’m honestly not trying to be extreme but the guy said you won’t have to vote again and that he wants to be a dictator. He said he wants to lock up news channels that say bad things about him. I mean, it doesn’t feel like hyperbole to me.
That’s true, but the guy also lies about literally everything. If he’s talking, he’s lying. So I question if he actually has the will to implement the changes he rants about, or if it’s just his regular word salad string of consciousness, and if he does have the will, I seriously doubt he has the ability.
So the defense to him saying and doing terrible things is that he lies, I dunno.
My honest take is they would boot him pretty quick and have JD step up once elected. There’s enough there to deem him unfit after he pulls in the votes they want. Plus JD could run again.
Yawn…
In American Presidential politics it’s the short term that matters: don’t vote for Harris because she’s good (she’s not), but vote against Trump because he’s a monster.
Some people just don’t live in reality and don’t know how the world works. They can’t seem to understand the world isn’t as perfect as they are.
and it ain’t gonna change.
I suppose—assuming the US lasts under it’s present constitution (as it has been for over 240 years)—the next, say, 20 Presidents (from now until 2104 to 2184) will either be Democrat or Republican.
I suppose too, in a few decades, Palestine will be mostly “Palestinian-frei.”
Well done Democrats.
I suppose someone as perfect and pure as yourself can run for office
Well done, Democrat.
an upvote for you—for nothing.
Wow, so generous. We NEED someone like you as president. I’ve never interacted with a more perfect person in my entire life.
back at ya. 😁🙂
Votes dont count for people you don’t vote for, that’s a stupid claim and every claimant who says this secretly knows this. That’s why much effort is put in explaining why something so stupid is actually the truth, “cuz of how fptp works”
But it’s not. It’s not how voting works, you know, we know, an’ no amount of “buttrumpin” makes it so. Don’t effin @me with long-winded explanations bluewarriors, i have been hearin every excuse the Dems can make for tripping over their own failures for 30 ish voting years. Some, (like screaming at the green party for being spoilers (Nader lol) are literally older than some voters itt.
Don’t carry water for Dems, my blue-team pit-fighters, your energy would be better served spent convincing D party membership to fix their platform to be one more popular.
That’s why much effort is put in explaining why something so stupid is actually the truth, “cuz of how fptp works”
This is true for most ideologies that require crazy explanations and eventual capitulation to counter-intuitive logic. If your claims require entire social movements to make sense, they’re probably bullshit.
Thank you for saying this!
I’m so sick of these disingenuous voting posts.
It’s easy to refute the claim. If you’ve followed discussion threads here for the past 3 months, we’ve done so countless times. But since you’re desperate for another one, here we go.
First, third party voters have and always will exist. If your campaign strategy is to ridicule them, then you deserve to lose. Do a better job of convincing them that your candidate is good, so that they’ll vote for your candidate, or go get those tens of millions of voters who are sitting at home or working their jobs, and get them to cast their ballot.
Second, most voters do not live in swing states. If you are a strong minority in your own state, and you know it, then it does not matter what you do on election Day because it wasn’t going to affect the results of the election. If someone comes along and tells you that it does, they are lying, and they ought to know better.
Third, is the only thing that could possibly affect the results of the election are these small groups of potential third-party voters, then it’s convenient to blame them if you don’t get what you want, but that ignores reality. Some people might not vote for Harris because of her stance on Palestine. If only there was something that could be done about that. If only she could change her stance on Palestine. Oh wait! She could change her stance tomorrow. If she really needed those votes, and those were the only things that could possibly change, she could get on TV tomorrow and tell us her new plan. But she didn’t do that. Why? Because it doesn’t come down to this one single group of voters.
But even if it did come down to this one single group of voters, then it would be on her to make a new policy, right? But she didn’t do that. So now you’re calling her a fool, because she’s pushing this losing campaign strategy when there’s a clear solution, which means you are hoping she doesn’t get elected because you’re insulting her now just a few days before the election. How dare you undercut her and her campaign staff.
Finally, I think single issue voting is a bad idea, but if I were going to be a single issue voter, the one issue that is going to be at or near the top of the list is genocide. If a US voter has a cousin or sister or uncle living or dead in Palestine today, how do you convince them to vote for Harris? Of course it’s true that Trump would probably be just as bad or worse, but you’re asking for them to vote for someone who definitely played a role in maintaining the status quo, which is likely to or has already led to the death of a family member that they know and love. I think for people in this situation, of which the numbers are not very large but definitely non-zero, you just can’t do anything about it. They’re not going to vote for Harris because they would correctly perceive it as letting down their beloved family member.
Single issue voting for Palestine cause is foolish if you vote for any of the candidate. US politicians have taken a lot of money from Israel to stop them.
If that is the criteria to choose then it would be better of not choosing. At least you would not have contributed in genocide.
As you say. That is why some single issue voters will stay home this year. I don’t think the numbers are very large, but they are a convenient target.
If you think somebody who supports sending weapons and ammo to those using them to mass murder children is a good person who will think about what’s good for other people when she’s POTUS, I have a bridge to sell you.
Anybody who is actively helping what Israel is doing is a full-blown Sociopath and socipaths don’t work for anything but their own personal upsides when in a leadership position.
The Israeli Genocide (well on its way to Holocaust) is such an extreme thing to actively support that unlike plenty of other things politicians might support, there is no doubt whatsoever on the nature of the character of somebody who supports it.
We’re not talking about “how far should Regulators intervene” or “were should Public stop and Private start” here, we’re talking about looking at 17 pages of dead babies age 1 year of less (only counted up until Israel bombed all hospitals to stop the counting) and thinking “yeah, we should send those mass murderers of babies more weapons”.
It’s hard to find most definitive proof of a “will fuck you up for even the slightest of personal gains” personality than this.
But since you’re desperate for another one, here we go.
You’d better just go ahead and keep this ready as pasta cuz this isn’t close to the last time this summerchild showerthought is getting posted, no sir
Maybe one of these days I’ll get the wording perfect. Then everyone will be convinced. In my dreams.
Certainly this post didn’t accomplish it, but another chance will come up tomorrow.
Lol you are just that. A dreamer refusing to acknowledge reality.
Good logic. A vote for them is also a vote not for trump. So a vote for them is a vote for Harris.
That doesn’t work simply because in this election one side wishes to uphold democracy, while the other is on the record stating they’ll “have it fixed” and you “won’t have to vote in 4 years”. So you do you… But what you’ve said is just ignorant of the actuality. (Lol @ the down votes. The cognitive dissonance is lovely. Hope ya’ll hold onto it when the civil war breaks out as democracy dies)
3rd party votes are valid votes and anyone who tells you your vote isn’t yours is the problem.
advocates for flawed parisan fear-mongering and bullying are the reason the US has a self-fulfilled and self-perpetuating, broken, two-party system.
voting for Jill Stein, West, Chase, Trump, or Harris is up to you.
It’s your right to vote for who you vote for.
you have to be wildly ignorant or violently prejudiced to vote for Trump, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to vote for who you vote for.
I also can’t see why you would vote for a third party instead of Harris given that almost all their policies overlap and Harris has made actual progress on green party policies, but that isn’t my call because your vote isn’t mine.
Of course everyone is free to vote for the cancer instead of the cure. No one is arguing this so put the straw man away for a moment and try and follow:
The argument here is about the lack of understanding of what is at stake, and the sheer ignorance it requires to chose the cancer over the cure.
“Of course everyone is free to vote…”
OP disagrees, which is the point I am addressing.
“No one is arguing this”
The OP is arguing this.
"put the straw man away for a moment
frustrating that you all learned these buzzwords and regurgitate them without understanding what they mean or taking the trouble to use them properly.
I am directly refuting their points using their own quotations as supporting evidence.
that is not a straw man. that is a direct, contextual, referenced response.
“The argument here is about the lack of understanding of what is at stake.”
it should be, but it is not.
that is your “straw man”.
You clearly have a reading comprehension problem-
They never once’s said you cannot vote for who you want. Maybe read it again from the perspective of someone that isn’t trying to build a straw man.
“You clearly have a reading comprehension problem-”
hm.
“They never once’s said”
hm.
“Maybe read it again from the perspective of someone that isn’t trying to build a straw man.”
using words you hear a lot in every situation doesn’t mean you’re using them correctly.
I am directly refuting their points using their own quotations as supporting evidence.
that is not a straw man. that is a direct, contextual, referenced response.
So it’s not my job to educate you here, but I will if it helps you to better understand how to read for context. Ready?
Shouldn’t doesn’t mean can’t.
For example:
“You shouldn’t vote third party. It is an incredibly selfish and stupid thing to do at the eleventh hour of a critical election.”
Is not the same thing as:
“You can’t vote third party!”
I sincerely hope this helps you understand how OP didn’t one time tell anyone that they can’t vote for who they want to- only that it’s ignorant and irresponsible to do so.
Now… I’m not entertaining your bullshit any further because this is the most basic I can get with regards to explaining the fundamentals of the written word.
The rest is up to you.
Good luck.
If the Harris team could make it harder for 3rd parties to register, it will be good for her chances, and thus probably a bit better for the US.
What would probably be better still is Harris being President for the next 10 to 12 years, without the need for Presidential elections—which are distracting from her necessary work.
“So it’s not my job to educate you here…”
or within your skill set, since you’re clearly confused about even the simplified comments written for you.
“OP didn’t one time tell anyone that they can’t vote”
Cool, nobody said they did.
did you finally look up what a “strawman” is?
are you trying to make up strawmen until I make one up back or something?
I don’t really truck with those.
“…only that t’s ignorant and irresponsible to do so.”
it is not ignorant or irresponsible to vote for a third party if you find that candidate best represents your policies and are socially responsible people.
as stated in my original comment, people like you and op who don’t believe in the right to vote are the reason the US has a two-party system in the first place.
you and op are part of the reason the US electoral system has devolved until someone like Trump could win in the first place.
vote for your candidate, people.
OP disagrees, which is the point I am addressing.
You said right here after I said that everyone is free to vote- that OP is suggesting people aren’t free to vote their choice. So, stop lying.
3rd party votes are valid votes and anyone who tells you your vote isn’t yours is the problem.
No one said they’re not valid. Just that at this point in time, they’re fucking stupid.
voting for Jill Stein, West, Chase, Trump, or Harris is up to you.
Again, no one said they can’t vote for who they want.
It’s your right to vote for who you vote for.
Again, this ain’t up for debate as it’s not being argued against. No one said anyone can’t vote for who they want.
that doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to vote for who you vote for.
Redundant, because this was already covered several times already-
that doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to vote for who you vote for.
Redundant. See above.
So you see. YOU have said several times that OP is trying to insinuate that people don’t have rights to vote for their chosen candidate- or you wouldn’t be rebutting it.
These are bad faith accusations. The proof is above in direct quotes from you. I’m not arguing this any further.
Enjoy the last word.
All those words, what a waste of effort.
Just say “let the Palestinians die, that will show that politician I disagree with!”.
why do you want Palestinians to die?
as a “gotcha?”
you have deep problems, sicko.
What do you think of the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs?
the EV point from OP is flawed.
tldr: Auto tariffs will only help the big three American car manufacturers if their policy is to match Chinese EV production, but the big three have apparently decided to focus on traditional profit programs exclusive to producing EVS.
in full:
The EV paragraph from the post is nonsensical. their faith in the “Big 3” is misplaced and the implied understanding of auto manufacturing is coming from pride or historical intuition instead of current and recent historical events.
China is a factory economy that has switched in large part to manufacturing EVs and has invested more in EVs conforming to western auto regulations than western companies have.
The West has been asking china to produce car parts for 30 years, and China can do that at a much lower cost then anyone else can, even with 100% tariffs.
during the influx of articles about Chinese EV’s flooding the market before tariffs were enacted, I regularly wrote that you would have to have a 100% tariff for Western countries to even get close to Chinese EV prices, but you need 200% tariffs Stern manufacturers to match Chinese mass-market EVS.
It’s still cheaper to buy a Chinese EVs at 100% tariffs than buy a Western EV of comparable quality, politicians are trying to buy Auto manufacturers a few years to catch up with the auto manufacturing processes in China.
problem is, they appear to just assume Western Auto manufacturers will catch up instead of focusing production on catching up to Chinese production capacity.
the big three need more than a few years to catch up with the production capacity of a factory economy that’s been running at full capacity for over 3 decades.
they’ve already had those few years, and have flip-flopped on whether or not EVs are the way forward despite the obvious technological and production advantages.
China has kept their eye on the ball and has swept ahead of EV competition as a result.
each of the big three have decided to focus on their own company instead, so each individual American car company is traditionally flailing against a modern nationally subsidized Chinese EV industry.
aptera is the only company i know of that could take China on by themselves because they’ve refined a new type of mass-market EV for cheaper, but initial funding is necessary, and no other car manufacturer wants aptera to get that funding because then Tesla and everybody else’s ass is grass(by which I mean they would lose a couple million dollars a year to a superior product, but like an iPhone, many people would persist in choosing Tesla simply because of the brand).
Big American companies don’t normally take that kind of “risk”(fair competition) and do not inherently value the benefit of a level playing field.
the big three are very consistently focused on personal profit via conservative production policy instead of catching up to the production capacity of quality EVs that China is capable of and invested in, so the big three are are losing that fight on every front.
You get to feel good morally at the cost of a few thousand Palestinian lives.
Great work 👌
Palestinians are going to be genocided and there’s nothing (at least nothing effective) Americans can do about it in their choice for President.
A vote for Trump is a vote for genocide.
A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide.
A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump and is thus a vote for genocide.
As a voter for US President, you are powerless to stop the genocide.
you just bragged in the other comment about how you’re excited to let Palestinians die for political motivations; I don’t know what moral stance you think you should feel good about.
A vote for Harris is the lesser evil because while under her, perhaps another 40 000 Palestinians will be murdered during her term (perhaps her 1st of 2 terms) and perhaps a multiple of Palestinian lives will be injured, maimed, and/or otherwise ruined;
while Israel murders many Palestinian babies, murder perhaps 100s of Palestinian LGBTQIs—perhaps more than what Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran have done combined in the past 10 years; and Palestinian houses destroyed and orchards denuded;
while all the while Netanyahu wags his finger and lectures her through CNN and other MSN;
at least over 330 million Americans will be a bit better off, and a few 100s of American women and LGBTQs will be greatly better off.
are you asking for confirmation?
some of that sounds correct, some of it is laughably incorrect, none of it seems particularly relevant to the matter at hand.
are you just voicing a general agreement with my support for Harris?
I’m taking the anti-third-party sentiments I’ve encountered on Lemmy and reddit and distilling it a bit further.
Vote for the lesser evil, the ends justify the means, politics is the art of compromise, it’s not how you play the game, winning isn’t the biggest thing (it’s the only thing), laws are like sausages, always be closing, etc …,
If you know how absurd anti-third-party sentiments are, why did you make this post?
I suppose I’m debating with myself.
Their arguments, AFAIK, for now at least, aren’t easily refuted.
The Bush Presidency of 2001 to 2009 was bad, and arguably if Nader wasn’t around, Gore would have won; and no Presidential candidate will stop the genocide, but Trump will be worse for the US.
Some of my counter arguments are here: https://lemmy.world/post/21081704
Perhaps I should create a page on Wikidebates: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Wikidebates
voting for Jill Stein, West, Chase, Trump, or Harris is up to you.
Democrats don’t want to hold themselves accountable for how uniquely un-democratic their party is (internally). If the Democrats can’t win elections, thats on them for running candidates that are uniquely unpopular or who support unpopular policies. And the worst of it all, right, is this assinine supposition that they are owed your vote because you’ve got no-where else to go. I mean look at 2016. Bernies running away with it and the Hillary campaign quite literally colludes with the DNC to box him out. Sure the e-mails weren’t meant to get out: but their contents where never disputed. 2020, and it was a practical fucking coup on Super-Tuesday (well, the weekend before), with all the middling moderates dropping out on the same day and Warren sticking it out to split the progressive vote. 2024, calls for Biden to not run started in 2023, and they dragged it out till so close to the end we didn’t even get to have a primary.
Yet its the voters fault when they don’t vote for the candidate. Maybe read the room.
Thank you saying this.
“Democrats don’t want to hold themselves accountable for how uniquely un-democratic their party is (internally).”
vague, unsupported take.
“If the Democrats can’t win elections”
they can and did win against the most popular demagogue in US history a few years ago.
they can win just fine.
and if they don’t, they don’t.
It’s an election.
“is this assinine supposition that they are owed your vote because you’ve got no-where else to go”
Yes, that’s exactly the problem with this position.
this post forces upon two options to choose from and people should throw away their rights to vote so that they can support tribes rather than candidates or policies, which I agree is asinine.
“Yet its the voters fault when they don’t vote for the candidate”
It’s the voter’s fault when they do vote for their candidate
I’m not sure what you’re confused about here.
are you saying that because the US electoral system is corrupt you have to fight back with corrupt methods?
I literally can’t tell what you’re arguing by the end of that post.
Please don’t do this each sentence is a paragraph writing style.
I separate by paragraphs and subject, rather than sentences.
Either way, I don’t think I should oblige.
Keeping distinct points clear is a courtesy.
People have trouble following cluttered paragraphs.
You put one topic together as a paragraph. What you’re doing now makes it harder to follow, not easier.
that hasn’t happened, you’re confused.
? Correct, you haven’t put one topic together in a paragraph. Aka, that hasn’t happened. And I’m saying you should put one topic together in a paragraph.
Different people have different views, so please do whatever you feel like, but I found it difficult to read what you wrote because of the style. I’m not asking you to change, but I want to let you know that your style may be good for some but bad for others.
“I found it difficult to read what you wrote because of the style.”
because of disctinct paragraphs? color me skeptical.
you find a single block of text simpler to follow than reading separate statements organized by subject?
If this is true, do you have trouble reading every book and article written because they are not single blocks of text?
do you find single blocks of text somehow easier to read?
or:
"I found it difficult to read what you wrote because of the style."because of distinct paragraphs? color me skeptical.you find this single block of text simpler to follow than reading separate statements organized by subject? If this is true, do you have trouble reading every book and article written because they are not single blocks of text? do you find single blocks of text somehow easier to read?
vague, unsupported take.
Bruh I offered 3 legs of support, enough to build a table, stfu.
they can and did win against the most popular demagogue in US history a few years ago.
Yeah how did they do that? Because what I recall happening is that Joe Biden took significant steps to the left after beating Bernie on super-tuesday to build a winning coalition. Harris is running to the right of Biden on literally everything right now.
I’m not sure what you’re confused about here.
No ones’ confused about anything, you just have wrong/ incoherent response.
“Bruh I offered 3 legs of support”
If one of those legs is your faith in the american auto industry, I eviscerated that a couple comments over.
nobody asked me about the other two.
“Yeah how did they do that?”
Trump lost because more people voted for Biden.
“you just have wrong/ incoherent response.”
examples?
what are you confused about?
what are you confused about?
Literally the only person confused here, in both style and content, is you.
I’m making very clear, logical points and responding immediately and directly to comments from dozens of people, quoting them so that people can easily apprehend the context of my comments.
you are the only one who keeps complaining that you don’t understand what you’re reading or what very simple words and concepts mean.
You are confused.
You can ask for clarification on what you’re confused about.
some people are picking it up faster; you need a little extra help.
go ahead and ask.
you are the only one who keeps complaining
No I’m not. Other people are calling you out in this very thread for being obtuse.
complaining you don’t understand
There doesn’t appear to be anything to understand because you are blithering.
