• Chariotwheel
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    If only Firefox would have a bigger userbase. I still use it, but the vast majority of people is on Chromium.

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        I’m switching today. Right now. Because of this post.

        ^^maybe
        EDIT: okay. I think I’ve done it. I’m currently editing this comment from Firefox. I already had Firefox installed. But now I have pinned it to my taskbar. I went to import my bookmarks from chrome, and found that I also had the option of importing other stuff from chrome, too (bookmarks, passwords, history and autofill data). That’s sweet. My bookmark bar has the same bookmarks in the same position. I also installed ublock origin, like someone recommended. And I am going to give it a go. If it all goes smoothly, I will unpin Chrome from the taskbar.

        Thanks everyone for the encouragement!

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          Install ublock origin and open YouTube.

          You won’t regret it.

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              fantastic. Also, just so you don’t have all that “YoU hAvE tHrEe ViDeOs LeFt” BS copy paste this to the “my filters” tab (go to about:addons, click on uBlock, there dots, “preferences”, then “my filters”) and you should be good to go:

              youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)
              
              youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)
              
              youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])
              
              youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
              

              Also here is another that blocks shorts entirely:

              www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
              www.youtube.com##ytd-rich-shelf-renderer[is-shorts]
              www.youtube.com##ytd-reel-shelf-renderer
              m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer
              m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer)
              m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)
              m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer)
              m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer,ytm-video-with-context-renderer)
              m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)
              youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-row, #contents.ytd-rich-grid-row:style(display:contents !important;)
              

              AND REMEMBER TO CLICK “APPLY CHANGES” BEFORE LEAVING!

              • @[email protected]
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                And I’m just gonna drop this right here for those who use Twitch

                For the first step: Click the Extensions button (puzzle piece icon) on the right side of the toolbar next to the main hamburger menu > right-click uBlock Origin from the drop-down > “Manage extension”

          • @[email protected]
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            And in fact will save you CPU cycles. For a bit, Chrome had a slight performance edge over Firefox. But once Google got the market share, Firefox caught up and got ahead, and Chrome didn’t invest in keeping up, so Firefox is generally faster. The only exception is a few sites (especially Google ones) seem to be heavily optimised for Chrome, but not necessarily as much for Firefox. If you stay away from those sites, Firefox is generally faster.

            Plus Chromium is increasingly becoming more hostile to efficient ad blocking add-on implementations - so if you want to block ads (generally recommended due to ad networks doubling as paid malware distribution networks), Firefox or other Gecko-based browsers are generally the best bet.

            • @[email protected]
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              Wait can you elaborate on that a little bit? Back in the days, Chrome was a resource hog which made me switch to Firefox for a few years. Then I tried a bunch of different browsers and found that my Firefox couldn’t keep up with the performance of Chromium-based browsers, which made me switch to Edge. But now, Firefox has better performance again?

              • @[email protected]
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                It ebbs and flows over time. All browsers will be attempting to improve performance, but at the same time adding features. More features often impact performance negatively.

                Most normal pages are apparently faster in Firefox right now, but Google might make an optimisation effort in chromium that might make Firefox comparatively slower.

                The main pages that are still slower in Firefox are Google sites. Google has repeatedly made things on their pages that unfairly favor Chrome. For example at one point they added an invisible frame that had no functionality over the video player on YouTube. They obviously made optimisations in chrome at the same time so they wouldn’t be affected, but Firefox’ hardware acceleration of videos broke, because the video now had additional items over top that it needed to custom handle. This gave chrome a massive performance edge on YouTube, until Firefox started ignoring completely invisible overlays of videos, just like Chrome did

        • @rockSlayer
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          If it would help with the transition, Firefox has a first time install option to move over all of your bookmarks. A super cool reason to have a firefox account is the ability to transfer a tab from one device to another. Best part is that Firefox isn’t profit motivated like Chrome so there’s much less bullshit to deal with

          • @[email protected]
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            Thanks, I’ve done it!

            I found out you can import not only bookmarks from Chrome, but also passwords, history and autofill data!

    • @[email protected]
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      Firefox is awesome now. It was great, then it lost out a bit to chrome, but it’s back to being awesome. If anyone’s reading this and isn’t using Firefox, please switch!

      And importantly, their import mechanisms are great. A typical user can switch with basically no effort. Next time they ask you for help, switch your parents too, and your siblings, and that neighbour who keeps referring to the internet as “the google”. Set them up with Firefox and ublock origin and they’ll be set.

        • @[email protected]
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          The person you replied to was mistaken. Firefox isn’t “back to” being awesome because it never stopped being so.

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            Well… there is a reason why so many folks sswitched to Chrome. Especially back when Chrome was new, Firefox just felt sluggish and slow. Chrome was a new breeze.

            It took Firefox a long time to catch up. I’ve been trying semi regularly and just 3 years ago it was “okayish”. Tried it a few days ago again and switched all my devices over.

            I don’t know what happened, but I installed it and it just felt snappy and fast. Apart from having some awesome features. Luckily if you don’t really keep bookmarks and such, switching isn’t that hard.

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          Depends on what you mean by “when”. From my POV for the last few years, it has an amazing plugin ecosystem (almost complete interoperability with Chrome’s), a revamped/minimal UI, performance optimizations, a better DX for web devs than Chrome, and an active R&D (Firefox View, new plugins button, better personalization, etc). I’m missing a few things but those are the ones that stand out to me.

    • smokinjoe
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      I use firefox as my sidearm browser on my work computer, but I literally just made it the default on my personal computer

    • @[email protected]
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      I’d solely use Firefox if jetbrains had better JS debugging support for it.

      So for now I use edge for that at work.

      Also I really like the tab sleep and vertical tabs features on Edge.

      But everything is Firefox on my personal machines

    • @[email protected]
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      ya, using the internet without an adblocker is a security risk because Google enables scams across its services.

      How about they learn to clean house first before shitting on the internet lol.

      incompetent company will do incompetent things.

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        I think the FBI recommends the use of ad blockers for personal safety, let me find that link real quick…

        Edit: FOUND IT, Third point under “Tips to Protect Yourself”

        • @[email protected]
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          Let’s just go back to the good old days when the web worked without JS. That would remove a massive amount of attack surface. Might seem a bit shit without the interactivity, though.

          • @Thepolack
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            Is there any way to make JS safer? E.g. limiting the scope of its access to specific functions (e.g. visual/DOM changes, posting/querying a server only but no local function), or is it just inherently unsafe?

          • @Thepolack
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            Is there any way to make JS safer? E.g. limiting the scope of its access to specific functions (e.g. visual/DOM changes, posting/querying a server only but no local function), or is it just inherently unsafe?

            • @[email protected]
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              There’s always possibilities to make things safer, but that often comes at a cost of features, features that many web developers (or possibly more likely their employer) would hate to see removed or be inaccessible. At least Firefox has done some great things to keep websites separated so a tracking cookie from tracking service A on site B and site C doesn’t quite get the same possibilities to track you as before (IIRC, take it with a grain of salt). But in general I would lean more towards JS sort of being inherently “unsafe”.

              You can always make yourself a lot more secure by browsing the web through a browser confined to a virtual machine, but most people won’t do that. And as with IOT, the S in World Wide Web stands for Security.

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        More like money hungry company will do money hungry things

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      You really think they don’t exactly know what they are doing?

      They are an ad and data company, you blocking anything isn’t something they want to make possible.

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    People’s willingness to seize every opportunity and monetize everything that was once free and open is truly shocking. Every day when I read about another dogshit attempt to make the internet as a whole a worse place, I’m not even supprised anymore

    • @Asafum
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      In our society it’s literally stupid NOT to do these things. If you got rich doing it you “won.” Fuck the general population, fuck “good” things, fuck literally everything, C.R.E.A.M.

      I hate it so much.

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      “People’s” willingness? That’s rich, it seems you forgot who actually has the capital and power to put this nonsense into place. The people don’t have a say in this matter, even if they’d get loud. The only way to end this and ensure software freedom is to end the thing that is in the way, capitalism.

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    It’s unfortunate that so many people use Chrome. Google has control over the internet that no single company should hold.

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      Same as with IE in the past. A little better with most of the source being open but not much. I wonder how we could solve this issue since people obviously don’t care.

    • Mkengine
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      Example Firefox: As it is Google is funding Mozilla to make it seem that there is competition. I don’t know if I want firefox to get bigger just enough so Google cuts their funding and it disappears. If so many people want to use spyware let them, so we can have the goodies.

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        Google pays to be the default search engine in Firefox.

        The larger Firefox gets, the less Google is going to want that default search to be anybody OTHER than them.

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          Mozilla are also trying to find sources of additional funding, such as the ads (sponsored sites) that appear on the new tab page now, and their other services such as their VPN.

    • tim
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      slowly switching to firefox here

    • d-RLY?
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      Being fair to Chrome (which I hate doing but there is a point), they got in when more tech-people online saw them as pushing so many things forward. Was functionally faster than IE for sure, but also Firefox got stuck on their 4.0 limbo and being heavy in memory usage. Though I think the issue with memory usage also came from having almost a decade of so many extensions. Chrome was also slightly simpler than Firefox (imo even though my primary browser is and has been since before 1.5). Pair that with Google also then becoming the only (in market share) real competition to Apple’s ecosystem on Smartphones.

      The best way to start taking down Chrome’s massive control over web standards is to do the same things as when IE was the default name people knew. Start using Firefox and get others to try it again or for the first time. Since so many people would trick their parents into using Chrome by changing the name and icon to IE. Most older folks kind of don’t even notice, and just think and “update” changed the look a bit. But as long as it works, they will just use it. In fact this can apply to a lot of the general public in actually scary ways. Back in the day with IE and those stacks and stacks of toolbars that I saw on almost every PC I worked on for people. I would just start removing them while they told me about why they were in (which was often caused by but not seen as to them as the issue). They would see me just OCD getting rid of them and would be shocked, and I do truly mean shocked, that those things weren’t just “part of the browser and never questioned them being there.”

      Now that Chrome and Chromium are the main browser and browser base. I see soooo many BS Chromium browsers just get installed via the same kinds of tactics as the old toolbars. Even set themselves to both launch at every reboot, set themselves to always be able to run in the background, AND set themselves as the system default browser. Sometimes there may be multiple all doing the same things, but also have been made into desktop toolbars/docks of sorts. And that same shit is done by the super annoying ones skinned by the AV companies (AVG, Avast, CCleaner, and now even mainline Norton). And the person just thinks they are just part of Windows, but they only even came in because they “started having issues with wifi” or even a broken Windows update that wasn’t related.

      That shit should really really get more attention in general. With so many fake things just being ignored, it means that the mass public will just never know or care about Google turning the internet into whatever it wants. Just not even know that they had actual options before they are removed. If it wouldn’t piss off the massive amount of companies that do ad business with Google. I wouldn’t be shocked if they turned ad blocking into a “premium feature” to subscribe to monthly.

      I personally install Firefox as the non-Edge option when setting up someone’s new PC (so long as they didn’t specify Chrome) so they might at least try it. I never set it as the default, and will remove it if they want it gone when picking up the PC. Also do try to let some of them that ask about Chrome know that Edge is 100% compatible for their sites that mention Chrome. Which they at least then tend to be like “oh, well then I guess don’t worry about installing Chrome then.” No real pressure is put on them, just information, though Microsoft is making it hard with all the wild “HEY TRY THIS FEATURE!” pop-ups and that damn pointless desktop search bar.

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    As a Linux user this has got me very worried. Chromium has so much market share that this change will certainly go through, and I feel like Safari won’t care as it benefits them and their ecosystem to have device checks. I feel like Firefox and non standard OSes will almost certainly be blocked on a large range of websites with little impact on total users, not to mention completely blocking ad block and anti-tracking clients.

    I think eventually regulators in the US will file an antitrust lawsuit and break chromium off of Google if this actually happens, but until then Fediverse/FOSS and personal websites are going to be the only places untouched by this.

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      I don’t think our politicians will do anything but protect big business, personally.

    • SokathHisEyesOpen
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      Safari won’t care as it benefits them and their ecosystem to have device checks.

      Apparently Apple already rolled it out in a previous update, they just didn’t call any attention to it.

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      I just hope that google won’t try to lobby for this API like disney does for copyright changes

  • Queen HawlSera
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    I can’t believe I’m witnessing the death of the internet, at least it isn’t going quietly into the night.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
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      The vast majority of people will not care about or even be aware of this. They’ll support it because they just want to watch their Netflix or YouTube. Things will continue on as normal, but with more ads and less end-user control.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        It’ll be a problem when people are effectively banned from the internet.

        • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
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          But again, the average person won’t be impacted enough to care. They’ll keep browsing. I’m not saying what Google is trying to do is okay, but it certainly wouldn’t be the death of the internet.

          • Queen HawlSera
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            They’ll be impacted when they can’t get online on a gosh darn iPhone because Apple doesn’t wanna play ball with Google

            • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
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              You think Apple with App Attest and FairPlay won’t jump on this?

              • Queen HawlSera
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                It depends, if Google’s the only one who can “Choose” they’ll be all “I don’t know about that one Chief”, otherwise… Yeah I’m just practicing wishful thinking

    • @[email protected]
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      The web is not the whole internet. Plus isn’t you being here prove that the internet is resilient?

      • @[email protected]
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        Even if Lemmy does fight it and doesn’t accept the fingerprinting bullshit, how many other websites are going to do that? We’re just a link aggregator at the end of the day, I feel like all of the most important parts of the Internet are no longer going to be open.

        • @FreeloadingSponger
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          Honestly, I barely go to any other websites anymore anyway, and I just read the headlines and comments here.

          • @[email protected]
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            The problem with just reading headlines is that they’re often (almost always) misleading or just plain false.

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    What is the web integrity API?

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        this is the most batshit insane proposal… I hope nobody supports it

          • @SinningStromgald
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            Google alone is enough. Biggest browser, search engine, advertiser, OS and some of the biggest sites on the web all owned by them.

          • @Nindelofocho
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            that’s exactly what people said with manifest V3 then all the sudden they were getting strikes on youtube for having their ad blocker on

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              And how well did that work out? I personally haven’t gotten any strike on youtube, using uBlock/mpv on PC, Youtube Revanced on mobile and SmartTube for TV since forever

              Also there’s this https://invidious.io/. So yeah, it’s just the classic cat & mouse game that has been going on for ever since software added drm

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                Google has already lashed out at Invidious though, and they’ll keep trying

                I agree that in most cases people can find workarounds, but I don’t think we should take these things for granted

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                  Google has no ground to stand on against Invidious

                  They may harass them but it’ll be veeery difficult to chase down all instances

              • @Nindelofocho
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                It’s probably a slow roll out for exact cases like this one to ease the backlash. I havent gotten any notice like such either but Im on Firefox. I do fully support invidious though

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        Notice they are DRMing text and computer code, WSJ and malware brokers are gonna really happy, everyone else had their DRM fix with multimedia

        • @azuth
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          Ads. To be precise this on it’s own provides a way for servers to be certain of the environment the pages run (browser, plugins, os). Protecting ads or other functions come from servers refusing unattested configurations or configurations they don’t like (i.e. running adblock, running firefox, running linux).

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            if chrome fully adapts this, this might well be a full blown commerical by chrome for people to switch to firefox. i have been only using chrome only to run our projects locally and test it out.

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            It should be noted that “being certain of the environment the pages run” requires controlling the client software being executed which requires preventing the user from modifying said executable which requires the browser to either be closed source or, more effectively, controlling the user’s hardware via blackbox verification chips (e.g. TPM DRM). It’s not just advertisers that would benefit but any website that wants to DRM content.

        • @[email protected]
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          I’d guess it’s first gonna be used for streaming TV shows and such. After that it’ll probably be used for absurd things

          • @[email protected]
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            I’d guess it’s first gonna be used for streaming TV shows

            I thought they were already being protected by DRM.

            • @[email protected]
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              Kinda, but it doesn’t work very well. Using video download manager you can download pretty much every video from the web

              • @[email protected]
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                Can you recommend me one that can be used to download DRM protected content from OTT platforms such as Netflix, Amazon Prime and Mubi? Might well as archive the content I watch.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Sadly I can’t, netflix won’t let me watch anything on Librewolf/Firefox on linux. I’d recommend looking into getting a good proxy, a Jellyfin server and also the *arr stack (Sonarr, etc…)

        • @[email protected]
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          Malware, malware encrypts its code so researchers cant crack into it and antivirus cant anilize it. Google is accedentally sponsoring malware

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      Some fucking greedy cunts at Google having a vision of internet being accessible only by “approved”(Chrome) browsers/clients.

        • @[email protected]
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          The whole stack will need to be approved. approved browser running on approved OS on approved hardware. Good luck browsing on Linux. The end of user software choice.

        • Orwell was never refering to the economics in 1984. It was a dystopia of an autocratic government in an ever autocratic world, that fully infected and controlled every aspect of everyones life. Whether that is for capitalism, or communism wasn’t part of it.

          Also free capitalism is an oxymoron. Capitalism is inherently unfree and the less regulated it gets, the more imprisoning it becomes to the normal people.

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      V3 manifest got too much bad press so they had to hinder it’s ability to gimp ad block.

      So now their trying another approach, this time they will probably develop and push this proposal out, and have multiple adopters before anyone can do anything about it. See also: WebHID.

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      A system for websites to request a proof of the “integrity” of a user’s browser and underlying OS/hardware, and “attesters” to check this “integrity” and provide the proof. If that sounds vague, that’s because it is. What “integrity” means is for the “attester” to decide.

      Google would of course be one of the major “attesters”, and could just deny the proof if you installed an ad blocker or VPN for example. In this case you would likely not be able to access the website anymore, because your device is deemed as “untrustworthy”. Or you’re using a browser that the big “attesters” don’t like, so you can’t get a proof either.

      So it’s a way for big companies to decide who can still use big parts of the internet and who can’t, based on whether it would make them money.

      • @[email protected]
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        can you explain this further? what does this integrate that’s not yet integrated in web?

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          It makes sure you’re running an approved browser with an approved OS on approved hardware and Google controls it all.

          Basically, say goodbye to Adblock, video downloaders, startup search engines, accessibility tools, and Linux.

          • @[email protected]
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            who is the approving authority here? google since they are the one who facilitates and pushes it? internet is a common ground for all kinds of people and google trying to be an authority here is annoying.

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    Google already rolled out AMP which is overtly hostile to an open internet and faced zero repercussions from it. The same will be true for this. The average person has no idea what this means, doesn’t care, and won’t be bothered by it. Politicians always side with big business.

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      172 years ago

      I’m hoping the average user will be sufficient annoyed by the lack of adblocking to finally give a shit.

      • @[email protected]
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        192 years ago

        Average users view the web raw, this will go totally unnoticed by >90% of users. If web-drm becomes a thing then it will be easy enough to block those sites and add them to the list of media that is morally acceptable to pirate.

        • @[email protected]
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          Is there any reason Firefox or anyone else can’t just draw blank elements over the ads to block them on a separate layer? That way the site still thinks ads are being displayed. Kind of like the browser internal version of cutting out sticky notes and pasting them over your screen to cover the ads.

          • @[email protected]
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            Firefox could get litigated for ad fraud and these trusted 3rd parties could block firefox from accessing the sites. It won’t work.

            • wanderingmagus
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              Time to fly the Jolly Roger and find ways to get entire websites, not just movies and TV shows, off the high seas and past the blockade. Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!

          • @hexagonwin
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            I believe that’s the same as uBO’s cosmetic filters. They’re loaded but not shown…

    • @[email protected]
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      Politicians always side with big business.

      That’s not true at all as far as EU tech company regulations are concerned. Examples: laws for GDPR, right to repair, consolidated charging ports, minimum size & pricing roof on roaming data - and related fines for disobeying them.

      • @[email protected]
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        There is a German ARD Video about Open Source. The EU Parlament is big in with Microsoft products and don’t want to change because they are idiots.

        • @[email protected]
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          32 years ago

          Same goes for local authorities. Munich even had its own Linux distro, then M$ opened a big office in the city and suddenly whole FOSS project was abandoned and everything runs on Windows.

  • Rentlar
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    412 years ago

    I’m doing my part using Firefox. I’ve always liked it over Chrome and I don’t like the sign into Google BS.

        • @[email protected]
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          42 years ago

          Also Chrome books, Android users that don’t care enough to change browsers, and most people who aren’t wholly in Apple’s ecosystem. Lemmy users are more knowledgeable about tech than probably 90% of the population. The demographics here definitely aren’t representative of the real world

        • LUHG
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          12 years ago

          Recently it’s not. Chrome must be losing market share fast as edge is all enterprise runs by default now. Lots of reasons why. By the time win 11 is forced upon us by 10 EOL Chrome may actually start to dwindle. Unfortunately Edge is chrome.

  • @Elpinko
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    Firefox is ❤️‍

  • @[email protected]
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    312 years ago

    good stuff, glad to see this opposition.

    Also slightly related, but I’d absolutely hate if I were an employee having to work on this project and having my name attached to this. Quite embarrassing for all those involved.

  • @[email protected]
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    302 years ago

    IMHO we have several really big problems with the web as it is today, which are intertwined:

    1. The web (standards) is by far too complicated. If even Microsoft doesn’t have (or isn’t willing) to provide the resources to implement a browser, there are not many players left with the resources and the motivation

    2. Google Chrome and Safari are the only game in town. (My main browser is Firefox, but seriously, we have such a small market share that nobody gives a damn)

    3. Most people/governments/companies don’t care or don’t understand the problem of the mono culture for browsers

    4. The value of the web is everything which is already on the web and that one can access anything with the browser - for this reason, we can only grow in the direction of more complicated while keeping backwards compatibility

    5. Besides lip-service to the contrary, our politicians want to control communication and supervise their citizens, so for politicians it is better to have a browser controlled by a company like Google, than a really free web

    Given how fundamental important the web is for modern human basic infrastructure, we (as a society) should find a better way to protect our infrastructure, freedom of speech and basic freedoms.

    • @EmperorHenry
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      Besides lip-service to the contrary, our politicians want to control communication and supervise their citizens, so for politicians it is better to have a browser controlled by a company like Google, than a really free web

      I got downvoted to hell for being against a centralized authority in other threads. Good to see I’m not the only “paranoid and crazy” one.

      • @[email protected]
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        I guess it comes with age and experiencing first hand how decisions are made by people in power/charge - and how the decisions are ‘sold’. Really scare is IMHO experienced people which still believe the stories.

        For the uninitiated, people in power in my experience think about the following in that order:

        • Does it challenge my power?
        • Is it good for my enemies?
        • What is in it for me?
        • How do I sell my personal gain/advantage to the public to make me look good.

        Just look at Google in this game:

        • protect advertisement business
        • push competition further out of the field

        Communicate as ‘improving security for users’.