• @[email protected]
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    The worst part is draconic abortion bans also hurt those trying to have children. No one’s getting recreational third trimester abortions. You picked out a name, painted the nursery. Late term abortions are tragedies to all parties, and only ever happen because of life threatening conditions.

    I wouldn’t want to plan a child when any complication could mean death.

      • @[email protected]
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        61 month ago

        Yes. It gets tiring. There aren’t even breaks in between “zomg! Look what trump and friends are doing! We are so much better” memes over and over and over and over.

    • @[email protected]
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      It’s not and such content should be banned from memes. But Lemmy has nearly no moderation on validity of content. Tbh, I like Reddit a lot better in many ways except for the asshole admins. It has problems, but still lot better controlled than here.

    • RuBisCO
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      A meme (/miːm/ ⓘ; MEEM) is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures. In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

    • @[email protected]
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      They want you to have children, and they want you to do it before you’re ready. They want you to be barely surviving so you can’t afford to switch jobs or take time off. They want you too powerless to have any leverage over your owner employer.

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      They want having children to be a woman’s punishment for unapproved sex, and they want the kid (who had zero responsibility for creating that situation) to suffer through it along with her, with zero help so it’s all as unpleasant as possible, cuz apparently that makes Baby Jesus smile. Fucking lunatics.

      • @AWittyUsername
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        At its core it’s about population control. As the birth rate is falling capitalism needs bodies to keep the cogs turning.

        • @LovableSidekick
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          To a certain extent, but capitalism always adjusts to changes in birth rates. Reducing payroll has been a trend since the 80s, accelerating with computers, robotics, and now AI.

  • @[email protected]
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    Birth control is nothing more than a form of medical technology. People against birth control and abortion(also medical technology) are Medical Luddites.

    They must be afraid of losing their jobs at crisis pregnancy centers, or be afraid they won’t be allowed to shame young single mothers anymore.

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      Either they are afraid of losing jobs, or afraid of not having hot single moms in their area. Make a pick

  • @[email protected]
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    I know I’m probably wrong here, and I’m willing to be better informed, but I don’t like the phrasing of abortion as mere “birth control,” as if it were equal to methods that prevent conception or implantation.

    Do people really feel it’s not a different sort of act, or would people be comfortable using abortion as their sole means of birth control (if it were safe and inconsequential to the woman)? And yes, I understand that the morning after pill is something of a gray area.

    Also yes, I am a Christian. But I understand that there are good reasons for abortion remaining legal.

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      131 month ago

      Abortion is, by definition, a form of birth control, but I don’t think most people would ever consider it to be equal to other forms of controlling birth. However, let’s not forget that for a lot of people abortion is quite literally the only birth control they may have access to, and even that access may come at huge risk. There are often family, social, religious (this is the big one), or cultural pressures that get in the way of accessing contraceptives until it is too late.

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        Absolutely understand, and while it’s hard for me to believe that anyone doesn’t know about condoms, a religious person who chooses abortion over condoms really makes me scratch my head.

        But I guess you mean a kid living in a “religious” household. Man, I wish there was a way to communicate to kids that feeling your old enough for sex means feeling you’re old enough to make good decisions about preventing pregnancy.

        I mean frankly the whole thing’s just too damn big for me. My heart goes out to everyone who finds themselves with these kinds of choices.

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          61 month ago

          Yeah, I was getting at living in a religious household, but I can say from experience that it goes far deeper than that. There is way too often a toxic and parasitic mentality that constantly says things like birth control are evil and aren’t to be talked about. When that kind of thinking permeates every aspect of one’s life or community, it can make it difficult, humiliating, or outright dangerous for people to seek out things like contraceptives.

          Also, I know this thinking doesn’t hold true of all religious folks, and it’s refreshing to see someone genuinely curious and asking questions rather than judging automatically, so thank you.

        • @[email protected]
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          You’re making some huge assumptions about the quality of sex and health education that those kids have had access to. It’s easy to point a finger and say, well you should be more responsible, but the reality is that adolescents are still learning and developing. So even with great education, they make bad decisions. They won’t have adult brains until their early to mid 20s. And there’s no reason why those decisions should ruin lives, when modern medicine can resolve the dilemma in minutes.

          In other words, you’re making an argument for much better and more widely available sex and health education. Which religious types are likely to oppose. Can’t have it both ways- either the kids are fully informed and made an error, or their guardians failed them and set them on a track with a veil of ignorance.

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      Well depends what you mean by birth control… is it a way to prevent pregnancy or children?

      Since birth is in the name i’d say the term is better suited for referring to anything preventing the birth of a children. But what the term refers to has no barring on what’s happening.

      It never meant people don’t make a difference. Any reasonable women knows and feel the difference.

      The fact it’s less safe and has worse effects on your health is just another way we realize how serious an abortion is. It will never be inconsequential even if it was safe.

      Please do not trust anyone who says people disagree with this. They all have a political reason to lie.

    • @shalafi
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      Abortion as birth control is a lie they’ve been harping on for decades. No one does that. No one says, “Aw crap! Preggers again, off to the abortionplex!”

      I’ve impregnated two women that had abortions. I won’t go into the details, but we talked about it, decided to do it, and they were both emotionally crushed. The second woman lost her ability to ever have children from the procedure.

      Abortion is not a thing to be taken lightly, and no one does.

      And thanks for sticking your neck out and asking around here. Surprised you weren’t excoriated.

      • @[email protected]
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        21 month ago

        It’s just another way Lemmy isn’t Reddit. If you try not to be an ass about it, you can ask just about anything.

  • @Coreidan
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    101 month ago

    Absolutely. Which is exactly the reason they want to take it away from you.

  • @LovableSidekick
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    91 month ago

    No need to sound like a political science textbook. Birth control means you don’t have to get pegnorate!

  • നാടൻ
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    91 month ago

    The folk wanting to restrict it probably don’t want to respect autonomy too much.

  • @Jarix
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    41 month ago

    And mutually beneficially so does UBI et al

  • @AWittyUsername
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    Pro-lifers don’t care.

    All they care about is the fact that the white population will decrease as no one can afford/wants children, so the best way to remedy that is to force them to.

    • @beebarfbadger
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      How else would one mass-produce gullible, uneducated voting cattle to exploit and fleece?