Israel bombed Lebanon twice with airstrikes in the last hour. No retaliation from Hezbollah so far. The Reuters headline:
“Somebody moved! Fire!”
Would be proper for Israel to admit that the ceasefire was violated because they started to shoot.the ‘ceasefire’ was violated not by gunfire ?? what the actual fuck??
Very similar to the Lemmy tankies arguing that Russia was forced to attack Ukraine by the Ukranian crimes of protesting and voting.
- From 04:00 hours (IST/EET), November 27, 2024 forward, the Government of Lebanon will prevent Hezbollah and all other armed groups in the territory of Lebanon from carrying out any operations against Israel, and Israel will not carry out any offensive military operations against Lebanese targets, including civilian, military, or other state targets, in the territory of Lebanon by land, air, or sea.
We are going to see some incredible mental gymnastics in the coming hours.
“It was defensive! They moved stuff!”
Its Israel and Zionist bullshit as usual. Why are you surprised?
yeah youre not wrong. i just got hopeful that maybe less people would die. its just so blatantly illogical and downright evil.
this is what the “the victims can be who de-escalate first” crowd are actually advocating. they may not realize it but their words mean the victim should just lay down and get genocided
I’ve found one thing pretty helpful in explaining to people around me how to look at the situation. It’s very simplified on purpose. Nuance is dead.
"You and your neighbor inherited your houses from your parents. They hated each other, but you never found out why. Growing up in their house made you dislike your neighbors too, though you have no reason to except any bad things the neighbors do to you because they don’t like your parents. You’re in the crossfire of anger. So when you and the neighbor move in, you both hate each other still.
5 years go by and the neighbor decides to put up a fence, and the city council says that it doesn’t matter where the property lines are, they will set the fence and that’s where it stays.
Then for years your neighbor is making improvements to their property, and what used to be half your yard. They begin moving the fence around to suit their projects.
One day your neighbor kicks down your door, sticks a gun in your face, his brothers grab your wife and kids, shoot your dogs, beat your child to death and when you call the police, they sit back and say “they have every right to defend themselves” and start handing them more guns.
now the neighbor is going down the lane, taking over each house and killing 1/3 of the people who live there, at minimum and the city council just shrugs and says “there’s nothing we can do, we can’t interfere in their internal stuff”
The neighbor keeps yelling to everyone walking by that they are the real victim here. They are being FORCED to do this. Every house has people who want to kill them in it. And to prove it, they grab someone who’s been beaten for days, ask them “do you hate me” and when the person tries to attack them they get executed, the people walking by shake their heads and wonder why that person didn’t just let them have the house, because surely that would have made the neighbors happy.
The current government of Israel was given land by foreign nations who had no claim on the land, and just compare modern borders with 1950 borders. The neighbors didn’t just move out and Israel bought the land. Any look at news from history will show you all their “defensive” actions that resulted in expanded territory. "
If the person sticks around for the whole explanation, roughly 50% of the time they open their phone to look some things up.
I may not be changing anyone’s mind, but if I can get them to at least question the official" bullshit then it’s a partial success.
the thing is… geopolitics are just highschool cliques expanded out. if you had a bad time in highschool (hint, everyone did, even the popular kids) congrats, you understand how the world works. that’s all it ever has ever actually been. our most poorly adjusted people become in charge of countries and enact what’s been done to them to everyone else out of a sense of being wronged even if they were rich and popular in school because their daddy never loved them
Tldr: religious conflict
pats shoulder yup. Unfortunately our government is run by absolute monsters.
I feel bad for all the Lebanese who fled to Syria and came back during this “ceasefire” only to have to leave again.
They shouldn’t have violated the ceasefire by returning to
Northern IsraelTheir Homesa DMZ./s, obviously I hope.
FUCK ISRAEL
Will Trump’s team continue to claim this as his achievement?
What?
I only see articles constantly, incessantly, calling out Israel for being the incarnation of evil in the most biased one-sided hypocritical manner possible. I honestly couldn’t say the last time I read an article that was even slightly biased in favour of Israel.
One of these days, I wouldn’t mind reading one of these alleged ‘Western headlines’ (naturally, that is, not in a cherry-picked screenshot), if for nothing else than for a change in perspective. Personally, I don’t really have strong opinions either way in the Israel-Hamas-Hezbollah conflict, though I sympathise for all the innocent victims. I truly wish for a return to the Journalistic Creed though; journalists should deliver factual information in as non-biased manner as possible, they shouldn’t be acting as politicians trying to manipulate people by twisting words to build their narrative.
Absolutely sick of reading nonsensical trash like this. Only a fucking blind idiot would believe that ‘Western media’ as a matter of course favours Israel. I guarantee, for every 1 ‘Western’ headline supporting Israel, there’ll be a dozen others decrying them.
Okay. Go to the nytimes website. Search for Israel. And then look at the language used for Israeli Actions compared to Hamas Actions.
“Conducts military strike” vs. “Fires rockets” “X palestinians left dead” vs. “Israelis killed”
And then go to Fox news or any of the more conservative newsites. Look at german news outlets. “The incarnation of evil” is a treatment reserved for Russia and Hamas in these circles, Israel is more like a morally wonky friend, who is still supported.
The further you go back, the less the actual negative press about Israel, despite the nature of the conflict from the beginning.
Bullshit.
It’s easy to cherry pick articles to generate a false narrative by navigating to the most conservative outlets.
Why don’t you try and search any popular search engine for ‘Israel Lebanon News’ in a private browser (to remove yourself from a browser bubble) and then try to claim that the wording in Western headlines favours Israel. All I see, in consecutive order of search results is: ‘Israel launches first airstrike…’, ‘Israel forces open fire in Lebanon…’, ‘UN troops patrol Israel-Lebanon border…’, ‘Lebanon deploys army on 2nd day…’, ‘Israel fires on Southern Lebanon…’, ‘Israel conducts first strike on Lebanon’.
Note that 4 of these portray Israel as the antagonist, 1 is neutral, and 1 portrays Lebanon as the antagonist.
If you fire a missile, you antagonise. Have you got information on context where Hezbollah took the first action?
It’s not bias if it’s an actual fact.
The second I understand can be perceived as biased language.
Did the rocket fire first or did the army move first? Was the army movement against the ceasefire terms? Help me understand where you see the bias is.
I’m sorry? Were we talking about whether Western media was biased towards Israel? Are we now discussing the etymology of the word ‘bias’?
Frankly, I’m not interested in playing your game. We are taking about headlines? The headlines by and large are in opposition to Israel, which contradicts the ludicrous claim of the OP.
I refuse to play sneaky games to switch the dialogue elsewhere. The articles I provided were legitimately as unbiased as I could think of (Duckduckgo, search term ‘Israel Lebanon Conflict’, in a private tab, English language, consecutive order). They were definitively NOT in support of Israel, which contradicts the silly claim of the OP.
I accept that most people will refuse to see the nonsensical silliness of the OP’s argument. I’m not interested in discussing blame and where it should be directed.
