• Alphane MoonOPM
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    11 days ago

    The Neural Processing Unit (NPU) provides integrated AI capabilities and can perform up to 11 TOPS making a total compute performance of 34 TOPS after including 5 TOPS from the CPU and 18 TOPS from the iGPU.

    Seems like a strange statement. Is there any software that can leverage this NPU, let alone use the NPU/iGPU/CPU in combination? And any rate, there are definitely ML use cases where your CPU will be busy processing workloads from the ML processes.

    • @Bitswap
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      410 days ago

      Nothing uses the NPU as of now

    • @Evotech
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      211 days ago

      Idk, real time upscaling and stuff?

      • Alphane MoonOPM
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        111 days ago

        For video games? I don’t think the NPUs can run DLSS or FSR. Not to mention the iGPU is going to be struggling.

        Video content upscaling is out of the question. My 3080 (240 tensor TOPS and 30 FP32 TFLOPS) takes about 15-25 minutes to upscale ~5-7 min SD content to HD. The CPU can also get hammered a lot since you’re also encoding the output file.

          • Alphane MoonOPM
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            111 days ago

            To be fair, I have zero experience with real-time upscaling. I only do archival stuff often with low source quality; DVD, VHSRip, low bitrate 720p videos, older, low bitrate vertical smartphone videos.

            Getting good quality upscaled video can be a big pain and even on a beefy computer (5800X, 3080, 64GB RAM) it is nowhere near real-time and more difficult source material can require multiple-trial runs (different model and/or config).

            That being said 1080 to 4K does tend to be relatively easier (it helps that 1080 source material is usually of high quality). However, I usually never bother with 1080 to 4K as I find the results to somewhat unimpressive and not worth the effort (compared to say a full on film to 4K transfer like on UHD Bluray).

            The article doesn’t really go into any detail, I suspect the result is more cosmetic in nature. This is in contrast to some results I’ve had where it literally looks like magic or like in the movies (the original Bladerunner with the enhance scene).

            If you can run “lite real-time upscaling” on the NPU, it is a decent feature and use case (even if I wouldn’t use it).

      • @[email protected]
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        411 days ago

        But everything made in the last 10 years, and 99% of everything since USB was invented works fine on USB 3. Shit the USB keyboards that do NKRO need USB 3.

        • @mipadaitu
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          511 days ago

          USB Zigbee receivers for home automation don’t work right when plugged into a USB3 port. It causes radio interference with the antenna.

          I don’t KNOW, that this is why they have one, but it’s possible. These minicomputers are popular as home servers.

          • @[email protected]
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            211 days ago

            Will they work if some other device is plugged into a USB 3 port right next to it? USB 3 controllers to this day is kind inherently noisy and most cheap manufacturers STILL don’t take precations to fix it. It’s almost funny how over 10 years later they still can’t make it work right.

        • Alphane MoonOPM
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          111 days ago

          The device has other USB 3 ports. It’s more like using the USB 2.0 port for your mouse to not waste the other ports.

    • @Bitswap
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      10 days ago

      They would have had to put a hub down for more usb3 ports. A hub takes board space and adds cost. Intel removed a bunch of usb ports from the mobile soc lines.

  • @ikidd
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    210 days ago

    $1600 at Amazon?!?

    That’s fucking hilarious.