• @[email protected]
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    1411 hours ago

    go see the .world version of this in their politics community; even now, when there’s data to prove this they continue to stick their heads in the sand and it makes me scared for the future.

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      They’re arrogant, ignorant, and cult like. They also sound exactly like the fascist they claim everyone else is. I guess getting banned from there was more of a blessing than anything. I tried to warn them but they just assumed anyone who dared to question Biden & Kamala were Russian.

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        i’m expecting them to ban me as well since i practically spammed that post in the last hour or so.

        Edit: they deleted the post instead. lol

        • @vatlark
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          You folks know that we are “in the same room” as you?

          :P

          I’m glad y’all are here. Lemmy is a small community. I hope we can continue to make this a welcoming place that will attract people away from corporate social media.

          Let’s not make a culture war where there should be a class war.

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            You folks know that we are “in the same room” as you?

            honestly i forget most of the time. lol

            there are so many liberals on lemmy, especially on .world that rarely post/comment and it makes me forget that they’re there lurking most of the time so i’m glad you commented; this community could be better by the addition so it more closely mirrors the activity of the other leftists communities.

            my like minded friend is right; an overwhelming majority of liberals exhibit provocative behavior when confronted w their behavior regarding lots of things including the genocide; exactly like the post i was referring to in my comment.

            i was getting meaningful engagement w people who couldn’t/wouldn’t appreciate the gravity of a genocide and it’s impact on the election and i think it helped me understand a little bit more why something so obvious to me wasn’t so obvious to them; then they removed the post simply because it was a substack article on a yougov poll explaining that kamala harris lost the election due to the genocide.

            bieng able to talk about things like this wo the mod who deleted that post having the ability to delete this discourse about it, is what makes lemmy worthwhile; but the class war is going to take a while longer if our somewhat-likeminded friends continue to insist on these provocative behaviors on lemmy.

            • @vatlark
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              That sounds frustrating. Lately I have been trying to think if there is a good way to help promote political discussion in a really constructive way.

              I don’t know your specific situation. I moderate a community and yeah sometimes a post will end up with a lot of aggression in the comments so rather than try to make a lot of nuanced judgement calls I’ll remove the post with an apology to OP.

              I also have made a lot of mistakes. I’m certainly learning a lot about being a better online citizen.

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            nobody’s trying to make it a culture war. It just happens that most of .world is happily fighting the class war on behalf of the propertied classes because they have a blue circle with a D in it.

            • @vatlark
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              It’s good to hear that criticism sometimes. Thank you.

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              And much of dot ml will ban you for not bending over for dictators, whereas I would’ve thought those guys are also the enemies of the working class.

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            Except you folks are the one that try to make it into a culture war when you banned people that brought up Kamala’s statements on her unconditional support of genocide & her cozying up to neocons like Liz Cheney. Just last week Biden was giving Cheney a medal of honor & named an aircraft carrier after George Bush. If “you folks” want it to be a class war then stop banning people pointing out that it is a class war, while you engage in a culture war.

            • @vatlark
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              Sorry I wasn’t aware of that situation. Talking about politics on the internet, or in real life for that matter, is tricky to do in a constructive way. Thanks for being in my virtual neighborhood and helping us learn together.

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    Still unfathomable to me. I hope those that stayed home think of their choice when Trump fully and vocally supports Israeli settlements across north Gaza.

    Then again: “Grim noted some caveats, pointing out that "even if October 7 and the resulting genocide had never happened, it’s fair to assume some number of those non-voters still would not have voted, and would have cited a different top reason for not voting.” Yeah, Harris was just never going to get some of those votes. But enough to swing the election? I guess we’ll never know.

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      so far; it’s looking like trump is the better option due to the ceasefire and i hate admitting it; i hate admitting even more that he failed.

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          The election happened in November. Even if Biden got the deal which it appears that Trump had a part in it, it didn’t happen until after the election. We saw Biden for the Zionist genocide-enabler that he is, and Kamala said she couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently, well except she’d have Republicans in her cabinet.

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          he didn’t let that stop him; he sent his emissaries to doha and brokered a cease fire earlier today.

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            Remember that time President Carter arranged to free the hostages, then Ronald Reagan snuck in and had Iran wait on announcing their release until he was inaugurated, so that he could claim credit?

            Oh, and didn’t Nixon pull a similar trick with Vietnam?

            Must be an incoming GOP President maneuver.

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              it’s an american empire thing; even the liberals on .world deleted the post rather than accept that the genocide had anything to do with it.