Hey there.
As the title says, don’t you feel frustrated whenever a new video comes along and it’s just a blurry pixel doing mundane things?
15 years ago I saw something extraordinary, something that I tear up by just remembering. I won’t go into details because why would I? I’m a stranger on the internet and my experience has no weight cept for me. But I know what I saw, and I truly wonder why nobody ever caught something like that with a camera.
Video after video after images come out and all that I’m left saying to myself is “that’s not it”.
I’m just frustrated that the hallucination hypothesis is the best explanation for my sighting at this point.
how do you cope with that?
It’s possible to be mistaken without hallucinating. Some people report an UFO following them that turns out to be the moon, so it’s pretty easy.
But yeah, the lack of proper videos in an age where cameras are everywhere and include pretty good night performance seems to be a pretty strong clue weighing towards the human error (of whatever kind) rather than “actual” UFOs.
I understand some people might confuse them. What I saw wasn’t the moon though. It was moving at seemingly constant speed, then stopped for a brief moment and shot away accelerating from 0 to infinity in less than a second. It was at first greenish-yellow colored but turned redder as it got away.
I’m not saying that you didn’t see anything or that it was the moon. I’m simply saying that it’s not as binary as either aliens or hallucinations. There are other possibilities, from atmospheric events to aircrafts or other.
Just shy of 3 yrs ago glowing ball spheres were hovering over the street over a long drive I took into the mountains. They didn’t move. They were undeniably higher than street lamps. I finally saw them again recently in some of the “drone” images, which is what I assumed they were despite being over many miles apart, I still think they are, the most diabolical creature on the planet is humans followed closely by cats, cats don’t build drones yet… my point is; You know what you know, no one else has to believe you experienced something for you to have actually experienced it. That being said, there is times I would have traded either testicle for a quality live video feed.
At times I wish I had an answer, even if it was something prosaic. Anything is better than defaulting to hallucination haha.
I was checking out closely at the drone situation recently but they’re were moving as…drones. I know all the questions and mystery surrounding them but they still move like something that you can just dismiss and say “they’re just kids using drones for lulz”.
What I saw had instant acceleration. I can’t dismiss it that easily, save for the hallucination hypotheses. The worst part is this is a taboo topic so you get weird looks if you try and talk about it in public
how do you cope with that?
I recognise when I have expectations and don’t invest in them.
What would be the worst that could happen for you? I would guess it might be something like: you go your whole life never seeing any photo that represents what you saw, nobody believes you, nobody cares, you never have any movement forward in your understanding of your experience, you die just as confused as the day after your experience. Is that really a problem? You’re still going to (presumably) have food to eat, a roof over your head, etc. So don’t worry about your lack of understanding. Expect nothing.
Yes, I obviously go on with my life. I don’t have ‘I want to believe’ posters in my house or anything.
But from time to time I remember what I saw and I can’t help but try and figure out an answer.
Understandable. Reminds me of a quote from Whitley Streiber:
“Learn to live at a high level of uncertainty. Only by doing this will we begin to gain the rigorously clear and objective outlook we need to perceive what is happening correctly.” – Whitley Streiber, quoted in Jim DeKorne, ‘Psychedelic Shamanism’, p.55
I’m more in the “disclosure already happened and people don’t care” phase.
The dod accidentally released the Nimitz video, Said yeah that was a weird UFO video we weren’t going to release, The pilots all said it looked like a manufactured craft and it stayed stationary and also moved in ways that human-made crafts can’t, and there were a dozen more of them very clearly visible.
with all the testimony, telemetry and video evidence, I’m content to wait for the next step.
The hallucination hypothesis doesn’t stand up at all to the size of the universe and the absurdly minuscule unlikelihood that no other intelligent life ever evolved, coupled with all of the evidence we already have in such a short time.
We don’t know how likely life is in the universe, let alone intelligent life.
I just read your exchange with Solumbran and I must agree with them. The % could be so low as to make earth a statistical miracle. We just don’t know because we only have a sample size of 1 living planet, and a star system full of dead ones. The reasonable position to take is to assume earth is the only planet with life until proven otherwise, as unlikely that may seem as first glance.
And if we go by statistics, people having hallucinations is more likely than having non-human made devices operating on Earth. Of course, this doesn’t feel satisfying at all haha.
Regarding the Nimitz, we don’t have telemetry. All we have is the testimony and video evidence, but the radar data was never published as far as I know. It’s still the most compelling case. I’m craving to learn more of this case, but nearly 5 years have passed since the pentagon admitted it was real. I don’t think they’re going to spill the beans.
“we only have a sample size of 1 living planet”
arguably.
“a star system full of dead ones”
there’s no evidence for this.
“if we go by statistics, people having hallucinations is more likely than having non-human made devices operating on Earth.”
on which basis are you assuming this?
The basis of you being unaware of non-human-made devices operating on Earth?
or more made up statistics?
" regarding the nimits, we don’t have telemetry".
The Nimitz incident is not the only telemetry-supported ufo incident by a long shot.
I know I sound dismissive of your criticisms, but you have to understand that on one side, there is radar data, credible witnesses, radiological data, photos and videos from multiple governments around the world, and the statistical unlikelihood of one bubble being “the only special bubble” where intelligent life can occur, and on the other side there is you and one other guy insisting that since neither of you personally believe in radar, video evidence, trained observers or credible witnesses, then that evidence isn’t real.
That’s simply incorrect.
you not believing or being ignorant of telemetry doesn’t invalidate telemetry.
again, this is the “disclosure has happened but people don’t want to believe it yet”.
as an example:
you probably think that anti-vax arguments sound silly?
me too.
anti-vaxxers are denying readily available evidence while relying on an insufficient pool of assumptions that do not hold up to scrutiny.
that’s where UFO deniers are at this point.
The “likelihood” argument of foreign life doesn’t make sense though. You need a point of reference for statistics that we don’t have. According to the current knowledge (0% of known foreign planets are known to have life) you can absolutely not conclude to any likelihood other than none (which would also be inaccurate obviously).
“foreign” planets?
we know one planet developed intelligent life.
and there are what? a trillion trillion trillion planets?
makes a good amount of sense to expect intelligent, or at least space-faring life developed somewhere else, even ignoring all the evidence.
And what is the chance, given a planet, to have life develop on it? 50%? 1%? 1 out of (number of planets in the universe)?
We cannot define a statistic as we have a sample of only one element.
It would be like saying “I won the lotto and there are a lot of people in the world, so there must be thousands of people that won it at the same time as me”, it doesn’t make sense. Without knowing the chances of winning (in this case, pretty low) you cannot assume that there is a good chance there are other winners.
If we had a proper sample (let’s say, 10000 planets including a handful showing life forms), then we could at least extrapolate. But we have only one planet we life, so an extrapolation would still be one. In other words, we have no proof that life is possible outside of earth, so assuming there is is nothing but a belief.
if the percentage is even .000000000000001%, then intelligent life must have developed elsewhere millions of times.
and that’s ignoring intelligent life possibly developing on stars rather than planets or in interstellar space rather than on discrete objects, it’s statistically ridiculous to think the slightly clever monkeys on this bubble are the only form of intelligent life.
there are simply too many avenues for intelligent life to arise to assume that because you personally haven’t seen it or a teacher didn’t explain to you that extraterrestrial life exists because we wrote about it in a textbook, that extraterrestrial life doesn’t exist.
there’s too much evidence and too much statistical probability of intelligent life arising to simply assume that it can’t exist.
That’s like assuming there are no fish in the sea because you can’t see beneath the surface of the water.
But you’re still making up a stat from nowhere. What if the probability is 10e-30 ? Then earth would statistically be the only one with life on it. And it could be even lower and earth would be a statistical miracle.
There is no proof that alien life doesn’t exist. There is no proof that god doesn’t exist. There is no proof that if you try to eat a candle from your eye while dancing on your head it won’t grant you immortality. You can’t prove the inexistence of something so the argument is void. That’s why I called it a belief, as opposed to science that is about what can be proved wrong.
And your comparison is inaccurate. What I’m saying is equivalent to not believing that a subspecies of humans with gills live under the sea because we never found one. Which I think is a reasonable assumption until proven wrong.
“But you’re still making up a stat from nowhere”
incorrect, I’m responding to your made-up statistics of 50% or 1%.
We know microbial life has developed on other planets, We know microbial life has evolved into intelligent life before.
your correlation of the literally uncountable locations and moments in which life can develop into intelligent life (as you understand it) with said intelligent life not having occurred and presented itself to you personally as some sort of evidence against intelligent life existing outside of the human understanding belies your misunderstanding of the statistical scale we are talking about.
“There is no proof that alien life doesn’t exist.”
that is because we have evidence that alien life exists.
“There is no proof that god doesn’t exist.”
We have much less evidence that God exists than we have of alien life existing.
“You can’t prove the inexistence of something so the argument is void.”
nobody is trying to prove a negative except for you, and I agree you’re failing in that admittedly futile argument.
“What I’m saying is equivalent to not believing that a subspecies of humans with gills live under the sea because we never found one.”
no, what you are saying is despite having found evidence of humans with gills, and you having access to evidence, you don’t believe in the evidence of humans with gills.
Your hard-fought disbelief in statistics and evidence is much less credible than the actual evidence and statistics.
Your incredulous attitude is exactly what I mean by I’m in the " disclosure has happened and nobody cares" phase.
You’re waiting for everybody else to tell you that the evidence is correct instead of accepting the evidence yourself.
My “made-up stat” was to point out that it’s absurd to try to make one, to which you replied by making one.
We don’t have proof of microbial life outside of earth, or it would be a consensus. The consensus is that it’s possible but we don’t know.
It’s not about intelligent life occurring to me, but about basing assumptions on proof, which doesn’t exist yet.
And your argument is circular. You are saying that foreign life exists because we have evidence of it, which means that statistically it has to exist ; I have yet to see such evidence and if it existed, the need for a statistical proof of existence would be none. You are already convinced of its existence and are operating within that scope, which once again is how beliefs work.
Isn’t it uncanny to witness consensus reality assert itself in real-time?
I don’t have any firsthand experience with this stuff, but I’m really not sure what to make of those disclosures.
Try and film something at dusk or night time, with your cellphone. Bonus points if it has lights You’ll be disappointed with what you get
