.world defed when‽
Love how they talk about being anti-sectarian and Hexbear being a place for anarchists despite them enforcing a strict platform that opposes anarchists. God I fucking hate tankies. “Oh you are welcome here as long as you follow our rules to a T and pretty much abandon all of your principles in favor of our authoritarianism.”
That’s what gets me about hexbear, they hate trump and claim it’s because he is a fascist but in reality they love fascism, it’s just not their brand of fascism.
Just like Kronstadt, fitting.
And the Makhnovists
They’re not talking about Lemmy. First sentence “Across the mastodon universe…”
He’s basically saying he wants to set up a tankie Mastodon for HexBear users. Good, let them self-quarantine.
I’ve noticed a few of them. Or some that simply also accept tankies on them.
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No, he’s quoting from a Mastodon instance that already exists, and has for quite a while.
Read that again. This is a Lemmy post talking about Mastodon.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. And the quote was from said Masto instance. He wasn’t talking about setting up a new instance. He was recommending an existing one, answering the poster’s question.
The absolute irony of referring to hexbear as anti-sectarian. Left lib needs to stop falling for this trap. Tankies are almost as far from an ally as you can possibly get.
Yep, as a left lib, a tankie is as far ideologically from you as an “anarcho-capitalist”
I don’t know the context of this comment but it seems like they are only quoting the About section of toots.matapacos.dog (hexbear-like mastodon instance), so I don’t think the title is 100% accurate even though I’m aware of lemmy.ml’s shitty moderation.
Yea I reread it and I may have misinterpreted it slightly, but the point still stands, .ml is no different than Hexbear even though they’d like us to think that to avoid a larger defed movement like what happened to Hexbear and grad. .ml still has an underlying desire to drop that mask and go full Hexbear wether it’s on their Lemmy instance or spun off to a mastodon instance on mast.lemmy.ml lol
The thing about “We can have an instance without sectarianism!” ignores that, Trotskyists splitting at the atomic level aside, the ‘sects’ are often founded on fundamentally different values, not just whether Jesus is homoousios or homoiousios.
In the end, this means that any dispute between sects will fundamentally raise the question of values, and no community nor authority is neutral on the matter of values. Which views count as following which values (for example, if someone regarded ‘racial equality’ as including ‘racial segregation’) is a fundamental question that, itself, invites sectarian splitting.
Ultimately, you can create a broad space, but the idea that all of the previous anti-sectarian attempts have failed simply for not being anti-sectarian enough is just… not so. Most of those ‘sectarian’ spaces are the end result of anti-sectarian attempts - because you have to draw a line somewhere, and wherever you draw the line, a large percentage of people will be upset about where it is.
Especially leftists, since we often revel in the broader value implications of small points.
Most of those ‘sectarian’ spaces are the end result of anti-sectarian attempts
This is a vital observation, and not just in this narrower context but in the broader context of leftism subverted by authoritarianism.
The thing is that we actually can have instances free of sectarianism. All it requires is a population among whom enough people hold to the value of non-sectarianism to not only establish such spaces, but for them to continue to be non-sectarian solely because nobody succeeds in driving wedges (or better yet, nobody even tries). And again, this dynamic holds in the broader context and not just in this narrower one.
But of course the problem, at whatever scale and in whatever context, is that we don’t have such a population, and there’s no indication that such a population will come to be in our immediate future either.
And that’s the exact point at which it starts to go wrong.
Through some combination of indoctrination and irrationality-driven-by-impatience, some number of people, faced with that fact, decide that that means that what we have to do is force it into being, which is inevitably doomed to failure, since it essentially boils down to establishing a hierarchy by which some claim the authority to eliminate hierarchy and prohibit authority.
The entire problem is that progressive liberals and social Democrats are actually worlds closer to left-lib types than MLs, but MLs cannot allow that narrative to exist at any level, be it explicit or inferred.
And that’s not to say libertarian leftists are even that close ideologically to progressive liberals. It’s more how absolutely massive the gap is between them and the authoritarian left.
Solid point here. The authoritarian axis is a real motherfucker when it comes to political divisiveness. Left v right doesn’t have the same impact as authoritarian v libertarian on the political compass, as flawed as the Nolan model and its derivatives might be. Nationalists are a danger regardless of which wing they claim to represent.
As an Anarchist that sounds nice and I might have even belived their pretty words if I havent been explicitly censored for calling out Russia and China. Also Blahaj is 100% a leftist space (I assume that they were referring to Blahaj), just not a tankie space and that pisses them off.
No leftist unity with fake leftists, power to the workers not the ruling class
I would like .world to defed them give the new normie Lemmy users a better experience. I still want .ee to not defed them cos I do find it extraordinarily entertaining to argue with them.
I don’t mind .ml users on .world so much. The moderation on .ml is fucking terrible, don’t get me wrong, but while shitty views are most common from .ml users, I don’t think they’re disruptive or excessively hostile compared to other instances.
I see it more from a viewpoint of isolating them from the fediverse makes us more palatable to the mainstream. I still wanna interact with them (free speech etc etc) but simultaneously wanna push for their isolation on other peoples instances)
Left-Wing Anarchists: “Fuck The US…”
Tankie: 😄
“… and Russia”
Tankie: 😐
“… and China”
Tankie: 😡
“Abolish Every State”
Tankie: 🤬
I wonder if these people will ever figure out how sick Americans on the left are of hearing the word “liberals” used as a hate term. Yes, entirely different meaning, but it’s a great way to get non-conservative Americans to reflexively think whatever they’re reading is totally stupid shit.
What you said!!
Liberal used to be a real political affiliation. Then the extreme right just used it to insult anyone left of them.
Then the extreme left (tankies) used it to insult anyone right of them, including conservatives!“Liberal” the insult has lost all meaning now. Is it left-wing? Is it right-wing? Who knows‽ It’s both!
Huh. I’m kind of surprised that he’s using big-C Communism. I guess it could be intentional.
I’d kind of think that most people on the left would be wanting to talk about little-c communism.
This users actual name is Pavel. They just flipped a letter to try to blend in with the western imperialist libs. They are NOT Dave L
Speaking of good faith
i know the target
Reading comprehension fail. It’s a quote from the toots.matapacos.dog Mastodon instance about its goals, in answer to a question about asked about Mastodon instances.
- https://toots.matapacos.dog/about
- https://lemmy.world/comment/14743955 Which mastodon server do you suggest that is not that big, blocking threads, no nsfw(if possible) not hosted by cloudflare and has 500+ word limit?
Considering that you’ve made it your life’s mission to convince world to defederate from ml, I can’t say I’m surprised that you might mischaracterize the comment.
