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Summary
Trump has proposed permanently resettling Palestinians out of Gaza, calling it a “demolition site” and suggesting the U.S. take over and rebuild the territory.
His plan, seen as violating international law, has been rejected by Arab nations, who warn it could destabilize the region.
The proposal aligns with Israeli ultranationalists pushing for Palestinian expulsion.
Critics say it would eliminate hopes for a two-state solution and amount to mass displacement.
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Man that’s some fucking weasel wording. Will be seen as flying in the face of international law? That would be because it blatantly does.
Would be cool if that actually meant anything and someone would do something. But get ready for that Trump tower in Gaza.
It is hard for me to believe a president would fly in the face of international law, or just the law, or basic human decency, or sanity - but here is where we find ourselves.
It is hard for me to believe…
You should check out the history of the USA sometime.
Their high morality was false, their allegiance was to wealth, their workers were enslaved and their genius was bought.
Not me.
Reagan was famous for roping us into foreign wars, and we can all remember that famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Bush I, likewise, loved roping the US military into foreign wars where we shouldn’t have been involved. Clinton came up with the term ‘peacekeeping action’ to rebrand his wars. Bush roped us into wars that lasted two decades, killed hundreds of thousands, and displaced millions AND started the US torture program. Obama destabilized multiple countries, was bombing seven countries at once when he left office, reclassified the term ‘enemy combatant’ to mask civilian kills, and made said torture legally permissible. Trump I arguably colluded with (or at least stood aside) while Russia escalated its military campaign against Ukraine. (Though I give him some credit for negotiating US withdrawal from Afghanistan and getting us out of Syria) Biden, like Obama, allowed the bombing of multiple countries throughout his presidency and, despite widespread reporting of Israeli atrocities, always made sure they got their WMD’s courtesy of the US taxpayer.
All this is to say: They’re all assholes, even if they give great speeches, and that’s especially true with regard to support of Israel.
Though I give him some credit for negotiating US withdrawal from Afghanistan
He negotiated with the Taliban and didn’t include the actual Afghan government in the discussion. He setup an intentional clusterfuck to take place after the election in the event of his loss. No credit is deserved for this.
Wasn’t the actual Afghan government a terminally corrupt failure? There’s a reason the Taliban took over the country that fast.
A major factor in the country falling is because the US didn’t include the Afghan government in the discussions to release 5000 Taliban fighters right before leaving the country.
Edit: what I should have added explicitly is they saw all that and just said fuck this and went AWOL rather than fight.
Wasn’t the actual Afghan government a terminally corrupt failure?
Yeah but you could say that about any imperial puppet.
I disagree.
That was a two-decade war that, had any other politician been elected, would have continued in perpetuity. I frankly couldn’t care less if the withdrawal was botched. A botched withdrawal was better than the alternative.
The thing is, he had his whole presidency to pull out of Afghanistan, and then didn’t. All he did was negotiate a political time bomb for his predecessor. Biden is the one who actually pulled the troops out. You should care that it was botched because it was done so on purpose, by Trump, at the negotiating table. Credit for actually pulling out goes too Biden.
I couldn’t care less about the circumstances. Also don’t care who gets the credit, and besides, Biden loved to bloody his hands as evidenced by his decision to make sure Israel’s WMD’s always arrived on time. Pretending he was a peacemaker is just silly.
I care that a war meant to be permanent finally ended, as it should have done many, many years earlier.
You mean a convicted felon?
Surely a convicted felon would never do something like break international laws.
i think he wants a war so he can flex some made-up wartime powers.
I’m sure that’s part of it.
America loves wartime presidents.
Basically all of them?
The United States has been at war for 222 out of 239 years since its birth in 1776. This means that the U.S. has only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth.
https://shunculture.com/article/how-long-has-the-united-states-been-at-war
there’s a documentary about the trials and tribulations of a peacetime president. i think bacon was involved.
Do we? For a bit maybe, but after a few years we aren’t happy when it wasn’t the “20 minute adventure” we were sold.
Pretty rich coming from the the BBC genocide corporation.
As opposed to… you know, the perfectly legal genocide, or…?
Hey, apropos of nothing, where are the “can’t bring myself to vote for Biden/Harris” crew? I shouldn’t even ask, should I? I don’t even want to know what mental gymnastics are happening at this point, let alone in the next however many years.
The “mental gymnastics” here are simple: This is straight up impossible. This isn’t another one of Israel’s wars in Gaza or their expansion in the West Bank; this will have a real effect on Israel’s neighbors, whose cooperation and silence are necessary for the Apartheid regime to continue existing.
Not so impossible. Jordan already said it would consider dumping Palestinians over its border to be an act of war - a war it says it would lose but would fight anyway.
And Jordan is the “nice” neighbor of Israel.
Yes, that’s exactly why I said it’s impossible. Again, the whole Israeli Apartheid project requires the consent and cooperation of Israel’s Arab neighbors. America also needs the consent and cooperation of those Arab nations to maintain its hegemony in the Middle East. While it’s not physically impossible to force the issue, it’d be geopolitical suicide for Israel and there’s no way they’re going to jeopardize the naturalization treaties they’ve painstakingly crafted for decades to make Trump and his donors real estate money.
I think both Trump and Netanyahu have a (final) solution in mind in case they can’t move Palestinians to other countries.
Setting aside Trump, if Netanyahu could do that he wouldn’t have waited for so long.
I doubt he’s able to, but he would also have an interest in prolonging conflict because that helps secure his own position.
Some of them are doing the incredibly offensive thing (right here on Lemmy) of arguing that ethnic cleansing isn’t genocide and what Harris wanted was genocide, which is worse.
Who’s saying that? Got any links?
You could have searched yourself. This took seconds.
Its not on the reader to have to research extraordinary claims.
It was such an extraordinary claim that it took seconds to find an example of.
I saw one yesterday (on another platform, not Lemmy). He just reiterated the same points, then gave a shrug emoji and stopped replying.
Yeah rememeber when kamalacaust promised to oppose genocide and colonialism? Or did she promise to bootlick the cheyneys more? I forget.
smh losing libs still blaming everybody else.
I’m not American, friend. Anybody who could have voted for not-Trump and didn’t is a collaborationist with an opposing force in my book, and I have zero need to adjust that assessment.
I’ll let you know if anything changes my mind when people are digging bunkers in Greenland or I’m holidaying in the Gazan Riviera or whatever. In the meantime, this is real life now and the collaborationists can check if they’re cool with the outcomes of their collaboration in real time.
Let me go check and see if Trump gives a shit about international law.
I might be some time.
Then arrest him and try him… I’m requesting you guys do this cuz apparently over here and we just let him break laws and don’t penalize him.
