• @lath
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    231 day ago

    I did see that type of comment once in such a topic. Note that I’m paraphrasing and otherwise putting words in their mouth.

    'It’s all western imperialist propaganda. The actual protesters had already peacefully retreated (because it was past their bed time). The only ones who stayed behind were the violent thugs and criminals who attacked people and damaged property. The military was defending the actual citizens and their country. We should be thankful for their service! (God bless Ameri-uh-People’s Republic of China!)"

    • @NateNate60
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      121 day ago

      I’m tired of people saying that China denies anything happened on that day. Like you said, the reality is worse. The Government admits that there was a protest and the army did indeed put it down forcefully, but they say that it’s because it was turning into a dangerous riot that would have plunged the city into chaos. They said that the protestors were bloodthirsty and wanted to overthrow the Government, and they were the ones who “shot first” (figuratively—guns are banned in China) against the police. They say that the Chinese government respects the people’s right to protest peacefully but only when the protest turned into a riot after and the demonstrators refused all of the Government’s very reasonable concessions that they called in the army.

      • @lath
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        21 day ago

        Believable.

        However, officers or hired thugs in plain clothes infiltrating protests and inciting violence in order to give a reasonable excuse for the military/police at shutting them down is a commonly used and widespread tactic. So, was it violent protesters or violent military/government staging an act? Well, the track record stands against official powers.

        In favour of your argument I will say that violent individuals will almost always take advantage of a protest to lash out selfishly. It is unavoidable. Yet, a government having a one-sided overwhelming force responding to limited civilian violence with even more overbearing violence, the bias it will face in regards to trust will increase exponentially.

  • metaStatic
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    111 day ago

    I’ve spoken with ex-pats who in the same breath say they deserved it for what they did to those soldiers and nothing happened.

    • @Maultasche
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      41 day ago

      Isn’t that the Armenian Paradox?