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N=133,000 over 40 year time period
Observational study so limitations may apply but the findings do hold after adjusting for a large list of factors I will quote here:
educational attainments, family history of dementia, menopausal status with hormone use status, total energy intake, regular antidepressant drug use, history of depression, BMI, moderate-to-vigorous physical activity, neighborhood SES [socioeconomic status], marital status, living arrangement, smoking status, histories of hypertension, diabetes, and hypercholesterolemia and intakes of sugar-sweetened beverages, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, poultry, fish, eggs, nuts and legumes, low-fat dairy products, high-fat dairy products, and alcohol
https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000210286
I don’t have time to dive into this paper myself yet. Has anyone else been able to and can give a quick summary of that they did to infer the causal relationship from observational data?
that’s why I always brown it first
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Yet another reason to shift to more veganism.
People really need more whole plant foods in their diets.
From a health perspective, economic perspective, climate perspective, and ethical perspective.
Stupid question - are whole plant foods just fruit and veggies and nuts, or is it also stuff like nut milks, chickpea pasta, etc?
When people say “whole” they’re referring to virtually any plant food that’s in it’s whole, ideally intact, form. For example in descending order:
- Farro is a whole grain. It’s a type of wheat, and it’s whole because all parts of the grain are still there - the bran, germ, and endosperm. This is the ideal kind of grain to eat - whole and intact.
- Whole wheat noodles are still a whole grain, but a bit less so because although all parts of the grain are still in it, it’s been broken down and reconstituted into a new form. The structure of plant foods in and of itself has health impacts.
- Whole wheat bread is still a whole grain, but quality can vary greatly depending on the ingredients and ways it gets processed. The vast majority of “whole wheat bread” is honestly dubious at best. Even more, since bread is less compressed than noodles, it digests more rapidly, and takes on properties that start to resemble refined grains more.
- Refined grains. Think white rice, white bread. Low fiber, low phytonutrients. These foods digest rapidly, lack important nutrients, and have a high glycemic load (high blood sugar spikes).
Chickpea pasta would be comparable to number two on this list, so not bad. Store bought plant milks are not whole foods because the plant solids have been strained out. If you were to make a plant milk by, say, blending whole soy beans or almonds in water, that would be a whole food.
I find it hard to believe they can adjust meaningfully for that many variables. No mention of obesity, which is likely the real issue here, in the article. It feels like there is a study “proving” a link to some different thing to cognitive decline seemingly every month.
They have a large data set, you can adjust for a lot more when your sample size is 133,000
No mention of obesity
They account for BMI as mentioned in what I quoted
It’s from two of the largest, most rigorous cohorts in the country. I am definitely going to trust this science over the flippant comment of an internet rando anyday.
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Kinda glad my body decided to just stop digesting beef a few years ago. I’m learning so much about what I can be potentially avoiding by not being able to consume it. Beef just sits in my stomach for an absurdly long time. So I don’t eat it. I have mostly fish as my animal protein, but substitute with plant based proteins and sometimes chicken to avoid too much mercury. I eat pork on occasion but it isn’t my favorite. I tried going vegetarian and vegan a couple of times and my already poor health declined. Now I do whatever it is that I do lol. I just eat what I like and what I know is good for my specific health conditions.
I dont wanna remember shit anyway
Put that in writing.
Huh? Put what in writing? I’m eating smoked ham
My reason for cutting red meat out of my diet was that it’s expensive, glad there’s other reasons it’s a good choice too
Starting to feel like that’s a serendipitous feature.
Hmmm, I wonder if they’re conflating processed foods and red meat again?
Yep:
Eating processed red meat (such as sausages, bacon, hotdogs and salami) was linked to a 16% higher risk of dementia and a faster rate of cognitive ageing. Eating about two servings of processed red meat a week raised the risk of dementia by 14% compared with those who ate less than about three servings a month. (A serving is a piece of meat roughly the size of a deck of playing cards – around 85g.)
If people substituted processed red meat protein for that found in nuts, tofu or beans, they could reduce their dementia risk by 19%, the study found.
A review of studies, published in 2023, found that people who ate lots of ultra-processed foods (of all kinds – not just processed meats) had a 44% higher risk of dementia
No, they also found associations with unprocessed red meats too
Unprocessed red meat intake of ≥1.00 serving per day, compared with <0.50 serving per day, was associated with a 16% higher risk of SCD [subjective cognitive decline] (RR 1.16; 95% CI 1.03–1.30; plinearity = 0.04).
Fuck it. I’m having an A5 Wagyu soon, as a bday treat.
Hell yeah! Dry-aged to perfection!
I would wager its not because of the meat but because microplastic contamination is much higher in processed food, especially meats. People are often eating the maximum dosage for plastics in a year in one meal. Its very hard to avoid. Microplastic contamination is highly correlated to dementia.
We literally evolved to eat meat and vegetation. This is nonsense. Shame on you for perpetuating it.
Evolution doesn’t care if you get demetia at 60. By then you already had and raised your offspring. It may even prefer you kick the bucket early so you stop consuming limited resources.
You can’t argue with science, the data is what it is.
That site isn’t science, it’s confirmation bias. Unsweetened coffee reduces Alzheimer’s risk? And you’re taking this trash seriously?
The headline is from a study, do what you want, there have been numerous studies linking red meat consumption to negative health outcomes.
And most studies like that are correlation related. Trying to take into account the massive list of causes is insane. A family member of mine is in his 70s, and has been vegan all his life, he has dementia and Parkinson’s…that %100 doesn’t mean being vegan caused it. Studies like this lack the ability to properly provide evidence of their findings, why? Because people self report a lot of the time wrong. Go check out “secret eaters” on YT, the amount people eat and report what they eat is pretty much always way lower than in reality.
Right, you’re one data point speaks for itself. It trumps everything else and you’re way smarter than me. So glad to have had this conversation.
Way to miss my point…