'Moral Crisis for This Nation': Trump Sued Over Access to Gitmo Prisoners Held 'Illegally' Offshore | Common Dreams
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“Our Constitution does not allow the government to hold people incommunicado, without any ability to speak to counsel or the outside world."

The lawsuit—filed Wednesday in federal court by the ACLU, Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP), and ACLU of the District of Columbia—was brought on behalf of several plaintiffs, including the sister of a Venezuelan man being held at the facility. It demands that all those being detained have immediate access to legal assistance.

According to the groups, the administration “has provided virtually no information about immigrants newly detained at Guantánamo, including how long they will be held there, under what authority and conditions, subject to what legal processes, or whether they will have any means of communicating with their families and attorneys.”

      • Gadg8eerEnglish
        1•3 days ago

        I know, but he’s not trying to make a joke of it. He’s calling it. I get it, this is fucking awful. I hope Trump, Elon and Vance suffer for this.

        • @[email protected]OPMEnglish
          1•3 days ago

          In a comment further down, I know it’s not a joke. It was more of a gut punch, “you’re right” kind of reply.

      • @[email protected]English
        4•5 days ago

        It’s just common sense. There’s no shortage of federal land in mainland US to build camps to hold migrants in. It’s a hell of a lot more expensive to fly people to Cuba than to hold them in some place on the mainland. This means they’re actually deporting fewer people than they otherwise could by directing those resources to more immigration enforcement stateside. The only benefit of holding people in a secretive military base in Cuba is that it becomes very very difficult for the press and human rights groups to gain access to them.

        I was a bit flippant about the Neuralink trials. But whatever they’re doing to these people, it can’t be anything good. Even just using them for cheap slave labor wouldn’t require this level of secrecy. We do that to regular prisoners in the US all the time.

        This should be obvious. You don’t gather thousands of people, people with effectively no rights, in facilities that are deliberately difficult to keep tabs on them…unless you are planning on doing something horrible to them. If it’s not unlicensed Neuralink trials, it’s going to be something equally bad or worse. Why would you be surprised if a Nazi like Musk does Nazi shit? Once you decide a group of human beings doesn’t count as human, there are few limits to the depravity you will sink to. Unlicensed Neuralink trials? Secret organ harvesting operations? Drug development and medical experimentation? Target practice for military drone development? Large scale forced sexual slavery and pornography?

        When you stop seeing people as human beings, then there is precious little you cannot justify doing to them.

        • @[email protected]OPMEnglish
          3•5 days ago

          I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I think you’re right. It was sort of a gut punch that Americans are so blatantly the baddies. Usually, we hide it better.

        • @lemmylommyEnglish
          2•5 days ago

          Trump and his followers get off on cruelty. Guantanamo is a symbol of cruelty and lawlessness.

      • Gadg8eerEnglish
        1•3 days ago

        For fucks’ sake, drive off the Nazis then! I didn’t honestly apologize for rash words about Jews over the Gaza war crimes to be okay with this!

            • @[email protected]OPMEnglish
              2•2 days ago

              Dude, this isn’t good for you to post online. I’m going to remove it for your sake.

              Protests for sure though.

              • Gadg8eerEnglish
                2•8 hours ago

                I won’t defy your judgement as a mod, only say I’m not afraid of them because if I was they’d have power over me just from that fear. I refuse to let someone like them have power over me.

                For anyone confused about what was deleted by what was posted just prior which is still up, I was not saying anything pro-facist or anti-semitic. Rather, the opposite: I don’t want to see America become like Nazi Germany and I’m disgusted it’s happening before my very eyes without the ability for me to save anyone from it.

                • @[email protected]OPMEnglish
                  2•8 hours ago

                  I didn’t mean to make you look bad, I just don’t want you to get hurt by your statements. Also, this instance probably wouldn’t approve. It was borderline.