Europe needs to tell the US to f-off and call the bluff, just invite themselves with Ukraine under their wing to their own peace-talk, and let Putin know the time and place… if Putin or his negotiators won’t show up (which is likely), then Russia obviously isn’t serious about peace so start ramping up the equipment and troop shipments to protect the front lines.
Ukraine should 110% reject ANY proposal to give the US or another foreign power ‘carte blanche’ deals for some slice of its resources in exchange for assistance; Europe needs to defend them for their own sake.
Unfortunately this would only allow putler to play the US against Europe even more than he already is. Just imagine it, him telling the US and Europe different things, and then the West starting to fight amongst themselves because they no longer know who is telling the truth.
Uh.
I think this all a little deeper than “is Putin telling the truth?”
Neither the US or Putin is trustworthy at all on fucking anything right now.
I trust the US government way, way more than putlers fascist mafia.
Where “way more” is “somewhat” versus “not even if hell froze over”
The US government is attempting a coup right now: Rolling back democracy, weakening US influence around the world to leave vast power vacuums, weakening the US internally, accelerating environmental breakdown, and clearing the path for wholesale privatization of the country.
I would still put some trust in civil society, in the judicial system and in state/city governments, but the federal government is completely corrupted.
While I see what you mean, the orange rapist and his clique is not the same thing as the entirety of the tens of thousands of faithful public servants.
“Luckily,” one of Project 2025’s pillars is removing career public servants with a spine and replacing them with MAGA loyalists.
And this is already happening: last time I checked 75k public servants had agreed to the layoff “offer” from the Fork in the Road mail. On the other hand, the Project 2025 people have been selecting a queue of new people via their own process since the latter half of last year. And of course, all the most important leading positions have already been replaced.
remember when drumpf said he’d have it fixed in less than a week if he were elected? we’re still waiting.
The US is also reported to have sent a letter to European states, asking what troops they are willing to supply to a peacekeeping force.
One European diplomat said that “it appears Europe is going to be asked to police a deal that it had no direct hand in negotiating. In the meantime, Donald Trump is seeking to take 50% control of Ukraine’s rare minerals”.
The peacekeeping force is needed against the USA and Russia together.
This is for the US readers: 🖕
But also Canada should be invited. Holding my other finger for now.
It’s fair to assume most Americans on the Fediverse didn’t vote for Trump so I think this antagonisation is entirely unnecessary.
Anyone who gets on Lemmy and openly supports Trump gets stomped on pretty badly. We don’t stand for that kind of person here.
I think it’s terrible. But I think it’s necessary because it’s on the scale of nations that they treat us.
No. At the end of the day, people are people. The elites are who we should turn against, no matter the nation. The common people mostly aren’t bad and face similar issues across national borders. We’re more equal to each other than we are to the elites who run our countries. Nationalism is only harmful and divisive.
Could you please change your post so it says this instead:
This is for the trump-supporting US readers: 🖕
We need to be united with our allies. We have our differences, but we need each other. The USA is economically smaller than China and Russia, and Europe is militarily smaller than China alone. But together, we are twice as strong as China, both economically and militarily.
Someone might decide to take the chance and attack a peer. But not someone twice as strong. The result is peace. That’s more important than our anger with the orange rapist.
Bruh, most of us are on your side, the side that is truly in our own interests.
I wonder what the world would be like if Europe (including non-EU countries like the UK, Norway, Switzerland, Serbia, Ukraine, etc) was all working together for its own defence and interests
Maybe European countries should stop nitpicking over issues like whether to use the Euro, and focus on important issues like defence first
We should call it the Putin Plan over Ukraine. If Trump hates one thing, it’s questioning his great ability to make “deals”
I genuinely hope something will come out of this, but knowing the slowness and reactive approach of European institutions I don’t have any hope.
Rather than talk, it would make much more sense to hold a formal conference after achieving results in agreed upon behind the scenes negotiations. Something along the lines of:
- Full blockage of occupied Königsberg. Banning of all russian traffic in the Baltic sea.
- Immediate sanctions of EU company executives servicing the russian market in any capacity (they know the shipments to Kyrgyzstan aren’t actually going to Kyrgyzstan, they are not stupid).
- Targetted massive ballistic strike (50+) on russia military and C2 installation in cooperation with Ukraine to give cover (perhaps even Lubyanka if it makes sense). Just lie and say it’s recently developed Ukrainian ballistics.
- By this point it would make sense to at least send covert military personal into Europe, make it limited to AA coverage in Western/Central Ukraine if needed.
I recognize that this may sound unrealistic, but most (all?) geopolticial achievements/breakthroughs/realignments were done with courage and a desire to win. Not “bla bla” or “but what about this or that”.
EU is slow because it respects the participation of everyone and followa due process and we don’t have a structure who would facilitate an authoritarian taking charge
Kaliningrad belongs to Russia. We respect international borders. By suggesting anything is up for the taking if you just have the military to do it you support putlers worldview. Please don’t do that.
occupied Königsberg.
Next you want everything west of Gdańsk to be Germany again?
Then you surely also want to support a Polish invasion of what today is western Ukraine, since it is occupied Poland in your eyes?
What a load of bullshit.
Königsberg
The Oder-Neiße line is absolute. Please don’t call that place by its anachronistic historic German name.
Yeah, i am getting mayor Reich revisionst vibes too. Calling Kaliningrad “occupied” means to also consider western Poland to be occupied Germany and western Ukraine to be occupied Poland.
This kind of revisionist talk is not helping central Europe, quite the contrary.
