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- tankiejerk
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- tankiejerk
Stemming from this post https://lemmy.world/post/25792088
This is why some don’t see the problem with .ml, they’re way more subtle. And to those I say look:
This comment was removed by a .ml mod in that thread and the user banned:
And yet, another comment from a .ml user referencing .world instead, but essentially says the same thing as @[email protected]s comment is allowed to stay up just fine for hours.
Why was that not removed? Where is their ban?
Just .ml Tankie things ig
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Wait wtf that fist person wrote out a whole ass essay explaining why and the emotions behind it and they banned them for it. That’s fucking wild.
I don’t get why you guys haven’t just blocked the whole instance. It’ll save you a lot of time dealing with stupidity.
It’s more worth while to drum up support for defederation since that removes any instances who take it from being part of their userbase, and weakens the network effect they have here. Remember they’re still dominating the Linux and Privacy communities on Lemmy and the discussion based fediverse in general.
Honestly, I consider Tankies to be a threat to the Lemmy-verse at large. I’ve seen it quite a few times, new user comes, sees some Tankie going off with their shit and goes “Oh, this place is just a bunch of tankies” or “oh this place is just Voat 2.0” leaves and then never comes back. Then likely ends up being one of those Redditors who comments on those reddit Lemmy threads about how “They tried it but it was just a bunch of Tankie bs”
Sometimes they do come back, try a different instance and then realizes they just need to block them
If the bigger instances want to take their sweet time defed’ing from them, fine, but there should at least be a visible loud objection of their crap
Tankies to be a threat to the Lemmy-verse at large.
It’s just… they made Lemmy. FWIW there’s powertripping moderation all over the place, but I wouldn’t call them a threat. Any redditor who is turned off by a take they see on Lemmy and stays on reddit as a result is really of zero loss or concern, IMO.
It’s just… they made Lemmy.
That has to be the weakest argument for keeping tankies around that I’ve ever heard.
The ellipses indicated I wasn’t forming a beach head with the point. It’s just the ‘okay we will make our own place’ comic in practice, which might’ve been an easier and more succinct thing to post.
In that case, you should be in full support of other instances defederating .ml, grad, and Hexbear.
Wouldn’t want to invade their space, right?
Unless all of your arguments are disingenuous bullshit, wherein the values espoused change depending on whether they serve the end goal of tankie apologia.
Alright I’ll bite:
This instance is already defederated from grad, which seems too eliminate the vast majority of problems as I see it. So I’d support other instance’s decisions there to defederate.
Defederating .ml seems premature and unnecessary since the issues are either users who aren’t actually bound by instance, or moderation practices which is not worth defederating over. I mostly think .ml isn’t a problem as an instance so federating with them helps other instances grow if people get kicked out of there. Though if .ml gets reduced to a few niche communities like lemmygrad or hexbear, then yeah, defederation wouldn’t be much of an issue then.
Hexbear users you know I think are funny, but they’re so defederated up I know other instances may not even get a chance to do it. So that’s just a freebie anyway.
This instance is already defederated from grad, which seems too eliminate the vast majority of problems as I see it. So I’d support other instance’s decisions there to defederate.
Wait, what problems do you see with Grad? Didn’t you just say you didn’t see tankies as a problem, and that anyone turned off from Lemmy by genocide denial is hilarious anyway?
Defederating .ml seems premature and unnecessary since the issues are either users who aren’t actually bound by instance, or moderation practices which is not worth defederating over.
Okay, I’m not in full support of defederating .ml. I get it.
But in that case, what’s the problem, exactly, you were trying to express with:
It’s just the ‘okay we will make our own place’ comic in practice, which might’ve been an easier and more succinct thing to post.
I mostly think .ml isn’t a problem as an instance so federating with them helps other instances grow if people get kicked out of there.
… how does that make sense. How does federating with .ml help other instances grow when people are kicked out of .ml? How does federating with them provide any benefit when people are kicked out of .ml? There’s no federated ‘transfer your account’ option.
FWIW there’s powertripping moderation all over the place, but I wouldn’t call them a threat.
It’s more than just the power tripping, it’s the agenda pushing, the misinfo, the denials, the hostility etc. they might want to see the Fediverse grow, but in a Tankie mindset way. They are always quick to bring up how any other non-Tankie instances are “Reddit 2.0” or “just bots” or whatever else.
Any redditor who is turned off by a take they see on Lemmy and stays on reddit as a result is really of zero loss or concern, IMO.
Yeah, I’m 50/50 there, maybe not the best “quality” user out there, but there’s also the secondary effects to consider; going back to Reddit and then every time it comes up they reply with a “It’s just a bunch of tankies” can damage a reputation
As far as who made Lemmy, Lemmy is just code, there’s nothing Tankie about the code, nor is there anything left, right center or galactic. It’s non-political, it’s got a job “be a reddit-like link aggregator” and that’s what it does, it’s a tool and nothing more. It’s open source so not only is there no “funding against your beliefs” concerns, all the Tankie devs could leave tomorrow and another group of people can just pick up the torch (In fact, there are a couple different Lemmy alternatives going rn, though not on feature parity with Lemmy, are coming along quick)
ZombiFrancis has infinite patience for defending tankies, it’s not in good faith.
Infinite? Nah. I just know the default state for every most online spaces is pretty mask off right wing. As an American government worker I have 90% cop brain interactions in meatspace too.
So the tankies, the few there are in a marginalized online space? Yeah, they don’t worry me one bit. They’re on par, if not almost refreshing, compared to any gaming lobby I have experienced for the last 30 years.
So I see what appears to be an outsized reaction to a really inconsequential group of people. The idea that one of their takes scares off a redditor or anyone else closer to the default is almost comical as a concern.
People have said the same thing about neo-nazis and white supremacists in the past and look who is running the country now.
So the tankies, the few there are in a marginalized online space? Yeah, they don’t worry me one bit. They’re on par, if not almost refreshing, compared to any gaming lobby I have experienced for the last 30 years.
Ah, yes, nothing quite as refreshing as apologia for genocide because [checks notes] the genocide isn’t happening in your country.
As an American, let me reassure you of how very American a reaction that is. :)
So I see what appears to be an outsized reaction to a really inconsequential group of people. The idea that one of their takes scares off a redditor or anyone else closer to the default is almost comical as a concern.
“It’s hilarious that a site built by tankies and which has three of the major instances run by tankies who celebrate genocide might scare off anyone who isn’t a genocide supporter!”
Ha ha ha. Comical. Hilarious.
Hey look, it’s me! I saw my comment got removed and laughed “of course that tankie shit was from .ml” I said again. Considered posting it here actually but was too lazy, thanks for doing it for me in conjunction with the other ones!
A key feature of authoritarianism is that it is not supposed to be equal. “I’m on top. I set rules for you and you obey.” Trying to adhere to an objective standard, or letting the roles be reversed for a thought-experiment, conflicts with the whole paradigm.
Authoritarians don’t like nuance, full stop. You’re trying to take a nuanced view to the varying opinions and perspectives that interact on Lemmy? Get the fuck out before you start inferring that we should see users who disagree with us as “people.”
I tried to limit blocks to a user-by-user basis, but fuck it, I just blocked that entire miserable instance. I won’t have any deficiencies in Russian propaganda exposure while Trump is in office anyway.
I blocked .ml and .hexbear and my experience has been infinitely better.
There are a few .ml tankies who try to invade other instances with new accounts. But they are easy to identify and it’s hilarious to watch them be frustrated that nobody outside their bubble agrees with them.
The hours old accounts are always hilarious. Sometimes they put effort in and have something like an 8 month old account but it only posts every other month and only to whine about nato imperialism.
