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What’s more chilling than Trump’s presidency? The fact that we use the same system that just handed him total control.
First-past-the-post fuels a hyper-partisan two-party system.
If we want to protect democracy in Canada, we need proportional representation.
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All of these Fairvote posts are great, but how to we get PR info practice?
It will not at all be easy to obtain proportional representation, but the future of Canada’s democracy depends on us.
We must remain focused, and not get distracted by:
At this point in time, the PR movement is growing - for several decades now. This is not a sign that the movement is not doing anything, it’s more of a sign of the power of anti-democratic forces.
Also see: the list American owned media pretending to be Canadian, infiltrating Canadian culture and politics.
Justin Trudeau himself admitted that the LPC’s promise to have 2015 be the last election under FPTP, was specifically to capture the fair vote community.
But yes, a lot of the current work we can do is carrying the torch, until we reach critical mass.
Greetings from another country and good luck!
The graphic would be better if the extremist for hold of a major power in both cases, otherwise it is better for the top actually: with a small party getting a bit of representation and even a bigger party getting nothing.
Suggestion: extremist big party - majority win - still needs an ally for coalition who will keep the extremist at bay. And an actual working opposition.
Again I wish you the best on your journey, the whole world would benefit im convinced.
Greetings from another country and good luck!
Thanks! What country?
The graphic would be better if…
P.s. I didn’t make the graphic
Again I wish you the best on your journey, the whole world would benefit im convinced.
If it’s a glorious day for Canada, it will be for the world. And getting PR would be a glorious day for Canada!
I’m from Germany, so we’ve barely dodged total doomfall a few weeks back thanks to not having winner takes all.
Still a shit show in my opinion but it could be so much worse…
Our system is pretty different. It is FPTP, and I support reform, but to say that our system is just as bad is untrue and a political mistake at this time.
In fact I think electoral reform is a bad idea until the USA is more stable, I think it would create an opportunity for them to coup us.
The overall democratic systems are different, that’s right. But the electoral systems are the same in the sense that both US and Canada both use winner-take-all systems (e.g, FPTP).
In fact I think electoral reform is a bad idea until the USA is more stable, I think it would create an opportunity for them to coup us
Bad electoral systems cause citizens to disengage from society:
Ontario and Germany just had elections. The contrast between those elections couldn’t be greater.
In Germany, 82.5% of the electorate turned out to vote.
In Ontario, a mere 45% showed up.
In Germany, voters got what they voted for. Almost every vote counted. The seats in the Bundestag (Parliament) fairly reflected what voters said with their ballots.
Ontario’s election, on the other hand, was a stark example of how winner-take-all voting is failing voters.
In Ontario, with first-past-the-post, 43% of the vote gave Doug Ford’s PCs 65% of the seats and 100% of the power.
Yeah I agree that FPTP is bad. I wrote to Justin Trudeau to criticize the liberals decision to mothball electoral reform.
But if we change systems while facing annexation from south of the border, and it results in conservative “under performance” (by which I mean the conservative party loses the structural advantage that’s baked into the current system) conservatives in Canada and the USA will cry foul and insist we be “liberated”.
I suppose the way people think about this is so distorted that we should be concerned about “underperformance” of Conservatives under PR?
What about the under performance of the general population? Winner-take-all regularly rewards majority governments to minority of the population.
Me and the general populace are crying foul now, for legitimate reasons.
Totally, FPTP is bad.
On further consideration I think the best move for Canada is to explore membership in the EU, which I believe would entail some level of PR and would be more difficult to criticize from a legitimacy stand point, and would be beneficial in terms of reducing our economic dependence on a now notoriously fickle trading partner.
Yup, that’s right, PR is a requirement to EU.
So what I’m hearing is we’re fucked?
Why do you think that?
I was feeling particularly pessimistic last night.
In this day and age, I don’t blame you.
At the same time, I don’t feel there’s any other viable long term solution than proportional representation. Therefore, we must act to get it done.
Agreed. What can I do other than donate above?
What can we do about it besides donating?
Don’t let your pessimism cause you to be complacent! That’s exactly what the anti-PR team wants. I know it’s hard, but imagine that you are doing it for someone you care about – because government, and lack of good governance, affects all of us.
- Follow fair vote canada on their socials: YouTube, Bluesky.
- If you want, sometimes you can volunteer, and sometimes there will be fun get together just to meet other people.
- Shop Canadian or ethically. I particularly like purchasing from B Corp Certified organizations: Ecosia Search Engine, Kindred Credit Union, Muskoka Coffee Roastery Co. This is a huge part in taking away power from those who only care about power.