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Last Baro, I shared a survey about what Warframes are just the best. Today I want to show you the results!
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Poor Caliban :(
He’s both sevagoth-level unobtainable and bad, meaning that by the time you get him you’re guaranteed to have better options.
I love Caliban in concept and I really hope he gets some love soon.
What are your critiques of Caliban? He has a lot of desirable properties in my opinion, like a persistent full defense removal field and a damage vuln + CC ability.
I consider Caliban a bad warframe. He isn’t bad in isolation, he’s just worse than almost everyone else. He’s probably in the bottom ten in my opinion.
Going through his abilities:
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His passive does not stack with Adaptation. It’s an ability which encourages EHP tanking, but it gets invalidated by the best EHP tanking mod. It applying to allies is really cool - especially because it’s affinity range - but it needs to stack to be worth using IMO.
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His 1, Razor Gyre, is unambiguously awful. Even Caliban fans call this one a helminth slot. The chance for a slash proc is cool, but the way its damage scales makes it generally unviable as a tool for killing enemies at higher levels. It can work at lower levels, but at those levels other warframes can clear trash better. (And it locks you out of his 3 and 4, which are probably his best abilities. That’s the same problem Hildryn’s 4 has, and nobody uses that.)
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Sentient Wrath lifting and applying damage vulnerability is cool, but any damage un-lifts enemies. It suffers from the problems of other CC abilities - if I want to do a full body animation to cast an ability, I might as well just kill the enemies. Also, for some incomprehensible reason, it has a target maximum. Meaning even if you wanted to build for range and duration, you also need strength if you want to capture a large group of enemies. The damage vulnerability is nice, but it’s a little redundant to being able to full-strip armor/shields, since that’s enough to kill everything in all content you’d bring Caliban to. If an enemy has no shields or armor, it usually just dies. And if you really need full strip and a damage vulnerability, you’ve probably reached a level where your passive and Lethal Progeny stop functioning at all, meaning you’re going to be too busy dying to get use out of Sentient Wrath.
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Lethal Progeny is a great idea with mixed execution. I love the idea of summoning conculysts to recharge shields and draw enemy fire, but the lack of scaling and prioritization of attacking over shield regen kind of kills it. IMO conculysts should somehow try to match enemy level, and at least one conculyst should always be assigned to permanent shield-recharging duty. Overall it’s still a fun ability, but its use as a form of enemy distraction is held back by the fact that it has a duration. If Wukong can have an infinite clone, I think Caliban can keep his sentient pals until they’re killed.
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Fusion Strike is pretty good. The AOE full permanent armor strip is awesome, but the ability is a little long to cast, it’s in a cone, and this is Caliban’s main thing. Other warframes can armor strip better (like Hildryn, who can strip entire tiles in the blink of an eye with minimal interruption to your movement/gunplay.) It’s a powerful ability, but it’s not enough to carry his kit. It doesn’t help that Tharros Strike is a helminth ability, which is also a cone-based armor strip that requires 200% power strength.
Overall he’s just not great. He focuses on doing a lot of things badly instead of doing one thing very well. In a world where there are frames that can do lots of things very well, I just don’t consider him worth using. There’s never once been a single time where I’ve felt the need to use Caliban for something.
That being said, there’s nothing wrong with using Caliban if you just think he’s fun. Much like Atlas, he can perform well enough that you’re not throwing by using him or anything. I just think he deserves massive buffs, because there’s a great frame hiding in there that needs some work before it can really spread its wings.
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FemLoki jumpscare
Dat Loki though
Are people aware that Gara does Frost’s job and other things too?
Strips all the enemies armor, has the entire party and defense objectives take 0% damage, while applying a continous Gloom level slow to the enemies and popping out periodic energy orbs?
The funny thing about “Gara does Frost’s job” is it unironically requires people to be bad at playing either frame. Frost’s snowglobe is not his best ability (though nice when needed) and Gara’s wall as a wall (and not a syngery bind with her 2) is probably her worst
Gara’s 3 with the augment shoots out energy orbs way better than the Archon mod which has a long cooldown for only a chance of an energy orb.
Gara’s 4 as a wall isn’t that bad, you just need to touch a few enemies with it to get its HP up. Combine that with her taunting 3 and 50% dmg red 2 that can also heal for insane amounts with another 2 augments as well as give every enemy damage vulnerability and you have a frame that defends while supporting offense, and it works on Corpus and Infested too instead of just Grineer.
While, yes, it’s probably not the most effective use of Gara, this second-rate Gara build is still better at defense than Frost. Frost is weak to melee Eximus, Gara isn’t because her 3 is a taunting ability.
Gara is similar but doesn’t do the same job. She’s a hybrid between Limbo and Frost in the regard that she offers damage reduction to both static and mobile targets while they give damage immunity to either static targets (Snow Globe) or mobile targets (Banish). The main difference is that Gara provides up to 50% DR to objects, whereas Snow Globe blocks everything.
In high level content, objects like Excavators don’t have enough HP to survive even a few hits from the enemies even with Gara’s DR and healing but Snow Globe can keep them alive by blocking the damage completely. There is Mass Vitrify, of course, but in order for it to work properly and have enough health, Gara has to hit multiple enemies while casting it. This means the enemies have to be close enough to her and hence to her defence target, which puts it at risk of getting destroyed before they get glassed.
Frost doesn’t have this risk factor which is why he’s better at defending.
Frost is better at scaling infinitely but Gara heals stupidly well nowadays with a couple augments and can keep the defense objective alive very well, especially considering that build also has the augment for applying her splinter storm to everybody. I would consider her superior for all normal gameplay including Steel Path, as she can handle melee Eximus significantly better than Frost. If even one melee Eximus slips through the cracks, the defense objective is a goner with Frost.
In addition, you can build range on Gara and easily always have an enemy in range to be hit with mass vitrify. On top of that, splintering storm protects against melee units and her 3 will taunt enemies into walking into the center (like say, where a defense objective is with a highly-damaging splintering storm). While an enemy being passed over by mass vitrify does mean that enemy is now inside the defensive ring, her 3 is an extra layer of protection that still works on Eximus and the enemy is slowed by mass vitrify’s touch anyway.
In my opinion, Gara is easily superior at defense than Frost at any level, but that’s harder to argue so I’ll easily settle for anywhere outside endurance.
I tried to dust off my Sevagoth yesterday since I got him forever ago, and he’s still very bad imo.
I found no reason to use his Shadow form at all despite being an avid Desert Storm user. I’m comparing him to Baruuk because both are melee focused 4th ability and both are locked behind a meter. The Shadow form is too limiting in too many ways:
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Sevagoth needs to fill the meter almost to the brim to use his 4 while Baruuk can use it anytime as long as the Restrain dropped, even just a little.
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Shadow form cannot refill Death Well while Baruuk can lower his Restrain anytime as long as he casts his other abilities.
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Shadow form cannot use guns. Baruuk can just swap to whatever weapon depending on the situation anytime.
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Shadow form cannot interact with mission objectives.
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Last Gasp is superior in every way than using Shadow form. 5 souls vs 3 kills, even down to 1 when it’s Eximus while Shadow form cannot deal with any heavy unit in any meaningful way.
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(cont.) Shadow form can only use an altered version of his 2 in downed form, meaning any button you press would just send you mindlessly zooming forward which is quite difficult to control and very confusing given how we usually use and interact with the Shadow form.
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Shadow form’s abilities cost energy and ignore Arcane Energize on Sevagoth, that means if I want to use Shadow form for a prolonged time, I’ll have to consider Arcane Energize on him instead of other melee focused arcanes.
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No skin, no augment, no bitches?
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(This is a complete subjective opinion) Too much casting time between switching to Shadow form and back. I was trying to do something like a 4, 1, 4 combo, and it took too long to be useful. This is a wasted opportunity in my opinion, he could be extremely fun if he could function like Nidalee or Elise in League of Legends.
Let’s just hope DE will fix him in some meaningful capacity when his prime comes out…
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Is that a female Loki on the stealth part?
Missed opportunity to make the stealth frames “invisible”.
Wait, what? where is my nidus?! :'(
My man Frost!! love him with Thermal Sunder and Archon Vitality.
man caliban is just hard carried by his 4 , its the only standout ability he got , his 3 is used begrudgingly , his 2 is redundant since armor strip is just so much bigger of an impact on damage that its never needed and his 1 is just a helminth slot with 0 redeeming features
