After all the BS from /u/spez?
Reddit is like the restaurant you’ve been going to for several years that was a mom & pop operation with awesome food and atmosphere. It got popular, and the owners made it a chain, so you could get the same food in a lot of different areas. The quality started to go down as they expanded, but it was already very popular. Then the owners started raising the prices, and the atmosphere started to get way less awesome. At some point, you realized that it’s not the restaurant you fell in love with, and it wasn’t a good value anymore, so you started looking for a similar kind of restaurant that was more like that one was early on. But the chain is still really popular, and a lot of people just keep going because it’s what they’re familiar with and they know the menu - they don’t want to go to the work of finding a new place and they’re content with what they’re getting there. The people who have left are a drop in the bucket so far, and the chain restaurant is likely to continue operating for the foreseeable future.
I remember almost everyone use facebook at a time, even chinese use facebook before it was walled off in china. But then everyone got angry because facebook got worse and anti-user and some deleted account. Yet, facebook is still kicking
In a nutshell, the communities move on to a more culturally and technologically suitable perform
Life is short, it is wise fast track to
Acceptanceforfive stages of grief. The best punishment for Reddit admins is to be forgottenFacebook is still kicking but they had to buy Instagram because they were bleeding users to it like crazy. They’re not declining in usage because the Internet (number of connected people) is still growing, but their user growth has slowed down significantly, to the point where they had a quarter with a decline in daily active users. That’s bad for a platform like that, and their stock price has reflected that.
That’s McDonald’s in a nutshell… look at the Ray Kroc documentary
This is probably 95% of businesses that get popular and grow big.
Reddit is unsalvageable and had been for a long time, but again, you are not going to be able to take the redditor out of people even if they move somewhere else for a long time.
None of us should be trying to build a better reddit here, we should be aiming to build something new, knowing what works and what doesn’t from our time as redditors.
Something more sincere, I guess.
The farther this goes, the more I think you may be right about Reddit being unsalvagable.
I think with different ownership, things could have worked out very differently. But the current shareholders and board obviously don’t care much that their property has gone from one of the most liked and trusted sites on the Internet to one of the most publicly hated in like 3 weeks. They think this will make them money otherwise they’d have reined Spez in or fired him.More importantly, I think this sort of thing can happen with ANY non-federated platform. As long as the users aren’t the ones ultimately in charge, it can and probably will eventually happen.
This is just digg.com evac to reddit.com 13? years ago.
Step 1: Site thinks it owns content users created and made site what it is.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
13 is the age of the account I deleted and I was in the Digg exodus, so yeah.
Same here. Went from Digg to Reddit, now to the Fediverse.
It will take time for the muscle memory to go away. I still type in “reddit” in the address bar, and probably will for some time to come.
Beat you by a bit, but I have no loyalty to corporations who have no loyalty to me.
Me too bro ; _(
Time is a flat circle
Denial
Anger
Bargaining <– they are here
Depression
AcceptanceReddit Is Fun is one of the apps being killed off next week. Their subreddit was marking each post with which stage of grief it was. A lot of anger and Bargaining.
I still can’t believe it will actually happen…RIF was Reddit on mobile phone for me. Killing it is like killing reddit itself. Well, yeah, good luck
Same for me, but with Sync. My muscle memory keeps forcing me to press where the icon was on my launcher. Need to decide myself and out Jerboa in its place.
I kind of agree but I have to reply because this is one of my pet peeves:
The five stages were never meant to strictly appear in that order and were never intended for anything other than death.
Albeit a bit of a stretch, the death of a website can elicit a sense of loss that draws parallels to actual literal death. At least in a “stepping on a lego and getting shot in the foot both really hurt” kind of way. Different intensity, similar flavor.
Oh, that makes me feel good. Looks like I’m at acceptance. Just not sure how long I was depressed :-\
I was at depression when they announced the nsfw change. I knew they were coming for the 3rd party apps next. Fucking Elon you cuck.
I thought the nsfw change was in tandem with the API change. They were not? They are changing nsfw on desktop too?
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Need Shock in there, or prob shook as the kids say these days.
There’s people who even think Reddit is right.
Because they think Reddit is Facebook.
It’s crazy how many people are so eager to lick boots
The arrow of enshitification flys in one direction only. the people that are still there will migrate out eventually. spez was right when he said the majority of users don’t care about the api, but fails to realize that the majority of users don’t generate content. The users that do generate content are jumping ship.
Yeah, the majority of users don’t care about the API because they don’t know what it means - that it’s the interface that enables not just third party apps, but also moderation tools.
The same users that will tell you that they don’t care about the API will start whining when the moderation of their favorite subs turn to shit, when they get overrun by trolls and spammers and bots and advertising.
People just fail to connect the dots.
Do you have any statistics though? Or it’s just something you want to believe in?
To me the enshitification is the real reason I’m here. The API changes are just the catalyst. At the end of the day I think the protests with a goal of enacting change at reddit is kinda silly. They are free to run their business poorly, whatever. I do support the protests but for my own reasons because I want to see reddit fail and a new evolution of the medium to arise. Reddit will continue to get shittier, let’s convince people to move elsewhere.
I’m just tired of being at the mercy of wacky CEOs with “visions for the future” where that vision is always somehow worse for everyone.
Here we are!!!
Because of what is WAS. While it still remains a bastion of information and data, for me Reddit has went WAY beyond a social media that I’ll use. I was already done when they decided not to reconsider their API decision - I could have been swayed, too. Companies deserve to get paid for their data and service; but not price-gouging rates like Reddit is attempting. It really sucks, too - I loved what Reddit, and its USERS, provided to the userbase… when I heard about mgmt planning to forcefully take back BLACKOUT sub-reddits, tho; that was it. NO ONE should remain there - I don’t understand how anyone could - federation is the only way forward, aside from going back to a website for every ‘sub-reddit’… Lemmy and LemmyNet should, as they are, really take hold right now. The devs need to find more help; I hate to say this, but theres money there. NO REDDIT, NO MORE. MORE Social, less Media.
I had hope until yesterday. I was a mod and all my users turned on me and said some really hurtful things. I’m gonna give a mod position to someone else on a smaller sub I’m a part of or two and step down from the rest. I’m guessing I’ll still lurk, but I’m done with it.
One of my favorite subs went aggressively pro-shill. Not just “you did your best”. But nothing except contempt and endless mockery.
I would say it’s astroturfing. But previously a gaming sub had gone dark for a mere 24 hours as a statement about toxicity and the response was similar.
There’s definitely some hardcore shilling and astroturfing in a lot of subs where blackouts and John Oliver memes have become the norm. People with no posting history, brand new accounts and low karma accounts have flooded in to insult the mods and attack the protest.
I’ve noticed that as well. People acting all angry and attacking mods. Pop open their history, and they’re on an account created two days ago. I don’t think we need to page Dr. Watson to help us solve this mystery.
I don’t think people understand how important moderation is. I’m sorry you had that experience. I appreciate all the work you’ve put in.
Thank you. Working to let it go.
Why don’t you just step down without assigning a new mod? Let Reddit self destruct itself.
Very much considering it.
I have zero hope for Reddit. I had no idea there were much better 3rd party apps available for Reddit on phones, so the API changes don’t impact me. But I’ve noticed over the years more and more, astro turfing by bots, bots reposting popular things to karma farm, as to sell the bot to entities looking to influence reddit via the aforementioned astro turfing.
It’s all very gross, I started to feel like a duck sitting in a pond surrounded by ducks, but not really, they’re all decoys, fakes, mean to give the impression of a big crowd. I don’t like that trend, and on top of that, the idea of Reddit going public, and trying to push our content as their value makes me sick. The owners of reddit haven’t done the heavy lifting, we the users, the mods all did the work and built up content. The idea that some chucklefuck was going to profit big from our effort isn’t something I want to be part of any more. So here I am, and I gotta say, Lemmy feels like a 2000’s forum by comparison, and I hope its very nature makes it harder to fall into the same pit falls as reddit and digg did.
The wierd thing was the bots selling t shirts of art they steal off of reddit. But what’s stopping those bots from coming here?
Decentralization’s pretty hard to kill so as long as people stick around, I have high hopes for places like these.
I don’t have any hope for reddit, but unfortunately, it is stil a very good source of information. Plus some previously established communities cannot be easily replaced, so reddit still has a use for me.
I hope that with time, my old communities will find their way here. Until then, sometimes I need to use reddit to talk to some people and access information.
And this is what makes the whole situation so shitty. All of the popular social media sites suck, but it’s not easy to replace them with something new when the majority of the content and community stays there.
Kind of the way (at least for me), I still have a FB account since there are still old friends or relatives that would be impossible to reach otherwise. So it just sits there, on life-support, unless I need it.
Twitter has been slowly turning that way, and now Reddit will work the same for me, but it’ll take a while.
I had hope until the infamous AMA posted by spez, and him doubling down on accusing people of blackmail. I’ve purged my account history immediately after that.
How did you do that?
Shreddit, power delete suite, or any other methods you can find by googling “erase reddit history”.
I have fixed and modified a userscript I found on greasyfork. Use Violentmonkey extension to install it.
https://privatebin.net/?188e13e8eb4b1230#EibjFyxrfk7VWLhtNjMCnR7iHXAfNBY1yiNSrsrq3Hmx
Reddit is profiting a lot from the network effect. By now this reddit is a known brand, has a lot of content is already there, has a lot of people (especially non-technical users) are already on reddit, and they’re there to stay.
All the other reddit alternatives, including lemmy and/or the fediverse suffers from:
- Bugs (I love lemmy, but gosh, have you seen how buggy and sometimes unresponsive it is?)
- The complexity of “servers” (don’t get me wrong, federation is the way to go IMHO, but it is confusing to non-technical users)
- Lack of content
- Lack of users
Everybody is talking about the Digg exodus, but nobody is saying that it didn’t happen in a day, it took ~1 to 2 years.
Lemmy is buggy and unresponsive for you? Huh. For me it’s both way more responsive and not buggy at all, kinda why I decided to give it a shot, instead of dropping social media all together…
The server thing isn’t that bad, just go to lemmy.world and make an account, really not that difficult.
And the lack of content and people is because people started caring about lemmy like a week ago…
Lemmy is buggy and unresponsive for you?
Compare to old [dot] reddit [dot] com? Yes, a thousand times yes! When clicking on “Reply” or “Post” I see spinning a spinning wheels for ~30s. Sometimes, I’m looking at the front page of a community, and new posts rush in over the websocket from different communities. It looks like the websocket updates are absurdly buggy.
If you’re comparing the reddit’s redesign, I guess lemmy is about as responsive/buggy.
The server thing isn’t that bad
Because you’re a technical user. For the average user, it’s convoluted and unnecessary. (Again, I’m a huge fediverse supporter, it has to be this way, but I have to admit it’s not user friendly.)
I haven’t ever used old reddit, I’m comparing lemmy to the new reddit and it’s 100 times more responsive if anything. I don’t have to wait like 10 seconds after I click on a post every time, it’s amazin.
The old reddit was a gem. I still used it until the end. It had no javascript, it was Web 2.0 from the 2010s. It was great. The redesign was a sin.
I’m gonna be brutally honest… I hate both old reddit and new reddit’s design.
The complexity of “servers” (don’t get me wrong, federation is the way to go IMHO, but it is confusing to non-technical users)
I’ll admit the technical stuff is probably the most off-putting. Most major social media got where it is by being idiot proof. The whole set-up will need to be much more streamlined if they want to really dip into Reddits user base.
I think the solution is a central registration which selects a random server from https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
For example, join-lemmy.org should do this, IMHO, without any technicality. Just transparently register to random server, with a curated cross-servers pre-selected list of subscriptions. Once users are distributed across servers, people will just recommend friends/family to join their own server, then the centralization of join-lemmy.org won’t become an issue. But I might be utopian.
I agree with you Dr. Jackson, it would feel kind of like signing up for an MMO, and they usually just suggest you a server to roll a new character on. Once they sign up people will start to understand the whole “having a home server” thing. Honestly doesn’t seem to different from a modern MMO that has cross server travel, etc.
Denial, at least for me. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that anyone could be that stupid and eager to destroy it’s most active part of the user base…
And the fact that it’s Reddit, a Site I always preceived as community driven and kinda above those corporate shenanigans, I still have hopes some saner heads might prevail. Although that seems increasingly unlikely by the minute…
Reddit is a VC backed startup so this was always going to happen. I am surprised it took so long, to be honest.
VC
I swear the only acronym I can think of is Vietcong. What do you mean by that?
It stands for “venture capital”.
Investors invest money in a company in hopes they’ll make lots of money on the deal in the future. Often high risk and high reward.
Thank you. The context makes sense now.
Honestly, apathy. It is not like people have to start paying for the app or website explicitly
- Facebook/ Meta stole and continues to steal millions of users’ data, the vast majority of the users do not care
- Twitter hacked most third-party apps, but people still use it because it doesn’t affect them personally. They still use it for free, so why not?
- Reddit killed third party APIs? People will grumble, but they will recalibrate their mind and continue using the official app.
I completely agree, and I think another major factor is a function of when you started using Reddit.
I’ve noticed a trend that many of the people who’ve moved on from Reddit (or at least the ones who are posting here and in places like Hacker News) joined Reddit 8+ years ago.
I started using Reddit about 14 years ago, and I’ve definitely noticed a change in the overall vibe of Reddit over those years. There were obvious changes (like cracking down/banning specific subreddits) and there were more subtle changes (like communities growing so large that the comments turned to shit) and there was a departure from a text-heavy, original-content focused haven for like-minded people to a feed full of gifs and inflammatory comment (not to mention ads-that-are-pretending-to-be-posts).
People who have been using it for so many years notice this change, but it was so gradual and over so long a time that they were used to it – essentially the change was slow enough that we were lulled into accepting the new reality of Reddit.
But then this whole kerfuffle has shaken us out of it and made us realize that it’s only going to get worse. So here we are, onto greener pastures.
Now, on the other hand, we have the (many, many) people who started using Reddit more recently. They only know the “new” Reddit. And so they don’t get what the big deal is. They think the mods are throwing a fit and the power users are just whiny and “why the hell can’t I see my memes?”.
They don’t understand what we miss about Reddit.
As a fairly ‘new’ user of Reddit, I think you’re pretty spot on. I’ve been using Reddit for around 5 years or so now (and their mobile app, I know, burn me right now) and as you said, for users like me, it’s not that obvious how much Reddit has changed for the worst. Sure, a few things were changed for the worst, but compared to other social medias, Reddit still seemed like the better option to me.
The think is, this protest has shed light on a lot of issues I ignored, and the way Reddit Corp. has handled it just straight up made me sick and wanting to dissosiate myself from Reddit as a whole. But I’ve a strong political background, strong beliefs and I am french so… I’m clearly not the ‘common user’. Those, I get why they see the protest as an inconveniance at best, and just want to keep using the website conveniantly as they usually do. They don’t know about 3rd Party Apps, they don’t care about useful bots, they don’t understand forums and old internet culture. They just want their daily dose of content.
EDIT: Also my very first comment on Lemmy, as I’m trying to fly away from Reddit.
Only 3 years here, and this is also my first comment. Tbh, I still prefer using Reddit: I’m completely lost on this fediverse stuff, it’s near impossible for me to understand the UI, and I finally understand how old people feel with their technology illiteracy. Nevertheless, I don’t really have a choice other than to keep working at it, so hopefully I’ll get the hang of it soon.
I think this really hits the spot. Corporate and Gov can eat people liberties step by step as long as they don’t touch their wallet and really few people will react.
They don’t see their niche interest groups migrating to a different platform.
Smaller subs may have had just enough critical mass when accessing the entire reddit user graf, but new platforms are not there yet. It is much easier to gain traction in a unified user base than in a federation of disparate user bases.
Yeah, that was it for me, I deleted my old 10+ year old user, who was a moderator, I might come back with a smaller account, but rewrote and deleted all my old stuff, the thing is there is really hard to find something for some of my really niche interests :/
