I have not enjoyed wrestling since he’s been back. All In was the first PPV I didn’t but since AEW started because I am just so unexcited for the show knowing there’s such toxins shit going on. I know I might be in the minority here because people seem to like CM Punk for whatever reason, but he makes omen of my favorite things so much less enjoyable. I only watch stuff when I hear that a specific match was really good now
I was open to Punk when he came back. I know all his WWE problems but he also had a rough deal so when he arrived in AEW I figured ya know what? Fuck it, clean slate, he’s back, he seems willing to do the work, let’s give it a go.
The second that scrum happened I no longer gave a shit about seeing CM Punk, and every tid-bit that comes out since then of him getting into someone elses face over this and that just add’s another nail to the coffin.
I’ve made my feelings clear, but I don’t think I ever really explained why I’m anti-Punk.
It’s not because of his political or social views, I’m pro-choice, support trans rights, and am a proud member of a labor union.
It’s got nothing to do with anything that happened behind closed doors, we’ll likely never really know how “Brawl Out” went down.
I’m anti-Punk 100% because of the “gripebomb” at the All Out media scrum. If I had done what Punk did, publicly insult the leadership of the company signing my paychecks, on a stage for all the world to see, I’d have been fired before even getting up out of that damn chair and tossed out with my mouth still full of muffin. But, Punk? That asshole basically got his own show. Proving that we live in different worlds. CM Punk is not my voice, he’s a celebrity diva that needs to check his privilege.
If you’d like to hear a similar story, ask me how I feel about Will Smith.
Take my kbin gold 🥇 lmao
Fuckin’ lol
If you’d like to hear a similar story, ask me how I feel about Will Smith.
Don’t tell me he slapped you too.
I needed this laugh. Been a rough couple days.
I’m sorry. My doors always open if you need to vent.
I don’t know if it’ll help but there’s a rumour going around saying someone new is gonna join the Bang Bang Gang tonight. Spoiler alert.
Hope that news cheers you up.
I was pretty down on Punk since the whole situation with Colt hit, but he won me back after he came to AEW just because he was so good. And then the scrum happened, and I’m firmly in camp fuck that guy.
Fully agree.
Yeah, same. I was in a wrestling hiatus during his WWE run, so I don’t really have any strong feelings towards his work. I get he is a big deal for lots of folks. And I do like the fact he doesn’t shy away from social causes. But jeezus. I’m still stuck on how upset he apparently got about Hangman’s vague dig. Like, unapproved comments are supposed to be a huge part of your career, dude.
I didn’t see his ROH or WWE run. He was an unknown wrestler that people, for the most part, spoke highly of. Now I just don’t care what he’s doing. The locker room crap is unamusing as I’ve worked with people like that, and it’s horrid. His in ring abilities are lacking. His promos aren’t bad though, but I just can’t be bothered to care about what he’s doing.
My thoughts exactly.
Don’t let it ruin your enjoyment of the product. All-In was incredible. You need to catch it despite the Punk stuff.
And I’m still open to the idea that this is a work/shoot-turned-work. If anyone’s seen Tales From the Territories (or anything where old-school wrestlers talk about the trade), you’ll know the one thing that puts a massive smile on their faces is when they talk about working the fans. Those guys beam like children whenever they tell those stories. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if twenty years from now we see TK, Punk, Matt and Nick Jackson sitting around a table, laughing their asses off about how they got us all.
At the end of the day, everyone involved in this is a carny. Including the “journalists.” They all want attention and drama like this gets it.
I’d love that, and I even said in the All In thread I think this is a work, if it isn’t cut the cancer out now and move on.
AEW just had it’s biggest show AEW just had Wrestling’s biggest show AEW put on a banger card despite injuries, court cases, travel issues and death.
But
We aren’t talking about Mox looking like a porcupine
Or
That Carny piece of shit Don Callis
Or
Any other high point on a great show.
We are talking about Phil, I’m not ever gonna call him anything else this isn’t a character waging war against an “Evil” owner of the company he’s a bitter man who couldn’t swallow a drop of his own pride and demanded a level of respect that he never deserved when he showed up, and certainly doesn’t deserve now.
In a perfect world The Elite open the show
TK has time to plan and have Joe go over and that’s the last we ever hear of Phil, he fades into obscurity.
I don’t know if I want to talk about Moxley getting those skewers in his head. Somehow it’s 100x worse that they stayed bundled together lol
I definitely agree that if this is all shoot then Punk needs to go. And Tony needs to learn and grow from the whole situation. Big time lol.
But I don’t think we’d be talking about any of those spots as much as we’re talking about this Punk drama. They were all great but there’s no way they would generate this much attention in the media. This kind of drama sells.
It’s all hypothetical, but if this Punk stuff doesn’t happen then the media/social media is probably talking about something else. Maybe more coverage of Funk’s death, Wyatt’s death, RAW/NXT, or WWE’s up-coming PPV instead of AEW’s. Who knows? All we know is that right now, in our version of the multiverse, everything is about Punk and AEW.The news cycle moves fast these days. That this Punk story is still talk-of-the-industry could be seen as a net positive in AEW’s eyes. They are in the entertainment business, where the saying: There’s no such thing as bad PR is absolutely true.
And I’m not arguing against this whole thing being a headache. We’re definitely on the same page there lol. I’m just pointing out why AEW might be okay with it: because—good or bad— it keeps their name in the news.
I’ll be god damned if I let that turd of a human being ruin my enjoyment of AEW
That’s the spirit.
If it’s a work, it’s bottom of the barrel, like WCW in 2000.
If it’s a work, it’s the most effort anyone has ever put into putting me off their own product.
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That’s the thing, it’s so incredibly obnoxious in the meantime that no match can possibly redeem the shit that got me to unsubscribe from aew+.
This isn’t Andy Kaufman being intergender champion, it’s some weird TNA Vince Russo meta shit where people call Hogan “Terry” and yet hall of fame rings give superpowers, but without any of the campy charm.
The biggest advantage I have in not being able to watch AEW until the morning after is that I can skip Pepsi Phil’s segments.
I really wish I could not let it hurt my enjoyment of the product but I just have no desire to watch when that guy is such a big part of the show. I was actually looking at the card for All In to see what matches were happening because I wanted to try to get back into it. But then I saw that CM Punk had a match and also there was some storyline of him pretending to be champion. So that tells me that they were eventually going to have him in the title picture again. So I lost interest. Why get invested in a story if you know they are going to make it worse later? It may indeed be a shoot turned into a work, but I don’t have any desire to see CM Punk be beat in a match. I just don’t want to see him at all.
Punk already hogged the spotlight to 2 PPVs because of his drama. Whether intentional or not it’s not cool to the other folks who worked hard for it.
If he can’t handle a locker room that’s going to talk shit then he most definitely should walk.
Dirtsheet writers have you guys in a deep headlock.
Why do you say that? Do you think it’s all a work? If so, it’s some awful fucking WCW 2000 shit and I don’t want to watch it. Or do you think it’s all lies but not a work? If so, cool move by the owner to not comment on it and look like a chump who can’t manage his company. And if that’s the case, I don’t want to watch it. And if it’s real and he’s being that much of a crybaby and attempted bully, which is definitely in line with how he’s been his whole career, then I don’t want to watch.
How the hell do you ever watch wrestling if that’s your strict criteria. No AEW, WWE, IMPACT, AJPW, NJPW
But I digress. I say the dirtsheets have most fans and companies in a deep headlock. Because the fans will spend more time discussing a report and basing their opinions on a report that suits their narrative while ignoring others or just straight facts that don’t. For example Tony did mention the incident during the media scrum.
And if it’s real and he’s being that much of a crybaby and attempted bully, which is definitely in line with how he’s been his whole career, then I don’t want to watch.
This line makes it so obvious.
Lol who said I have a strict criteria for anything? I make decisions based on how I feel about the information I learn about something. There are some companies I don’t watch for other reasons.
But still, to your point of comparing other promotions, what active wrestlers in any other company is being violent with coworkers for something as simple as their feelings are getting hurt while also spreading crummy opinions on other wrestlers that fans love for really good reasons. Most of these wrestlers he’s not in storyline with, so there’s no reason to talk shit, it’s just personal stuff that he can’t be professional about.
What narrative do you think was already in my head? That I didn’t like him already and the reports of these things happening just reinforce that? That’s not the case. The things that have happened since he’s been in AEW is why I feel the way that I do. And are you also pretending that these things didn’t happen just because they were first reported by wrestling journalists?
I didn’t have any preexisting narrative of him in my head. I didn’t know the guy. I quit watching wrestling after the Chris Benoit shit, and didn’t start watching again until well after CM Punk was gone. I had no opinion of the guy until he started wrestling in AEW. I learned about the pipebomb, thought it was awesome. Watched some of his higher rated matches, and while his style wasn’t my favorite, he had really good chemistry with his opponents. So I was interested in seeing him join. I didn’t care for the storylines he was in but whatever the matches were good. Then the dumb shit started and my opinion of him dropped with each thing he said, until All Out when I really didn’t like him. When he came back I lost interest in the show. And now shits just staying the same apparently. So my desire to watch is pretty low.
No reason to be upset that we don’t have the same opinion. Not everyone has to like and dislike the same things.
What narrative do you think was already in my head? That I didn’t like him already and the reports of these things happening just reinforce that? To
Ignoring reports that Perry was the instigator, and the elites involvement is pretty telling.
I haven’t seen any reports suggesting that Perry started the physical part of the incident. It doesn’t matter if someone starts arguing with you and asking if you have a problem with them. That doesn’t warrant violence and it’s not excusable just because Punk was sad about what Perry said.
What narrative do you think was already in my head? That I didn’t like him already and the reports of these things happening just reinforce that?
I didn’t have any preexisting narrative of him in my head. I didn’t know the guy. I quit watching wrestling after the Chris Benoit shit, and didn’t start watching again until well after CM Punk was gone. I had no opinion of the guy until he started wrestling in AEW. I learned about the pipebomb, thought it was awesome. Watched some of his higher rated matches, and while his style wasn’t my favorite, he had really good chemistry with his opponents. So I was interested in seeing him join. I didn’t care for the storylines he was in but whatever the matches were good. Then the dumb shit started and my opinion of him dropped with each thing he said, until All Out when I really didn’t like him. When he came back I lost interest in the show. And now shits just staying the same apparently. So my desire to watch is pretty low.
Honestly, it’s dulled the lustre of FTR by association. Their match at All In felt kind of irritating, and not because of the bucks this time.
I don’t even care if Perry started it, Punk threw the first punch and always seems to.
Excuse the pun, but given the many lessons of other friendships that have been permanently burnt in the past its kinda surprising they’ve gone All In on being pals with him.
Yeah, same. And it’s so fucking dumb that anyone would care that Perry started it. He started an argument. An argument is not an invitation to start a fight. If you’re so much of a baby that you can’t stop yourself from hitting people who say things that hurt your feelings, you don’t need to be calling yourself a locker room leader or working in a job that requires so much trust in other people helping keep you safe
