Scene with Jesus on the cross. A MAGA person wearing a thin blue line flag shirt pointing at Jesus saying “He should have just obeyed the law!”
if conservatives see jesus again they will crucify him again.
Yeah weren’t the romans “conservatives” in biblical times? The “this new religion is against our ancestors and traditions” type specifically.
I love the guy to his left. You can see him thinking “Wtf time-pilgrim, that’s messed up.”
They even say this for when the law that’s being broken is like stealing $10 makeup. Right wing lunatics think that “law and order” means that if a person steals $10 worth of property from a store then you have the right to murder them if they fight back or flee.
I wouldn’t say a MAGA person as the description, just a standard reactionary traitor.
THE POWER OF ICE COMPELS THEE! THE POWER OF ICE COMPELS THEE!
He did, tho? Even the dude who had to enact his punishment was like “but he didn’t break the law. I’ll let you all decide: Do we crucify this jewish dude who did nothing wrong or do we crucify this known murderer?” And the crowd chose the innocent jewish man.
Maybe that‘s kinda the point? This is feels before reals. The lady shot in Minnesota was trying to leave as instructed (among conflicting orders) but got shot anyway. Point being compliance doesn‘t matter, they‘re killing you anyway.
That’s the point
Nothing more un-Christian than US-style Christianity
Nothing like Christians trying to distance themselves from their hateful ideology.
Idk. Christians have been doing fucked up things since before the US existed.
I’m consistently surprised at how they seem to do and believe the exact opposite of what they are supposed to.
It’s called Christian Nationalism and isn’t limited to the US, neither do all US Christians fall under this category
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“Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching—‘turn the other cheek’—[and] to have someone come up after to say, ‘Where did you get those liberal talking points?’” Moore said.
“When the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ’ … The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,”
What would you even call this? It’s ALMOST irony but not quite?
This, but unironically, Jesus was essentially mocked by the cops on the cross. So this type of behavior was covered rather clearly and counter indicated.
Two others also, who were criminals, were led away to be put to death with him. When they came to the place that is called The Skull, they crucified Jesus there with the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots to divide his clothing. And the people stood by, watching; but the leaders scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is the Messiahc of God, his chosen one!” The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine, and saying, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” There was also an inscription over him, “This is the King of the Jews.”
From Luke 32
I get conservatives saying jesus obeyed the law and its no jesus broke the law be inciting a rebellion and claiming to be the sun of god, jesus just told you to pay taxes
“I like your Christ, I do not like your christians. Your christians are so unlike your Christ.”
-Maybe Not Gandhi
extreme radical lunatic left winger.
i always wondered why jesus never used his god powers to get off the cross, but then i realized he’s like a vampire, but instead of a stake through the heart it’s nails through the hands
hes probably spent from being ressurected or healing other people. hes no angel or archangel
The entire purpose of Jesus being born and living was to choose to willingly die on the cross so he could take on humanities sins. Without his death, there would be no Christianity.
While true, can we stop pretending like this makes any fucking sense at all?
Like you’re supposed to read your comment and be like “ohhhhh OK, in that case…”
It’s all fucking dumb. Yahweh is supposed to be all-powerful (and all knowing and all loving, etc.), yet the only way he could “save humanity” was to come up with a convoluted plan involving splitting himself into a human form, sending it to earth for 30+ years, and then violently executing it?
Couldn’t he just have, I don’t know, done none of that?
I didn’t say it makes sense. For me, it doesn’t. Just pointing out that that is how the Christian religion believes it to be.
The idea is that he could have, but it was through his suffering that mankind would be saved. I’m not a believer but from a literary perspective, the story is that if he saved himself, all humanity would suffer. His human nature wanted to survive and avoid suffering but to do so would go against God’s will and humanity would not be absolved of sin. He overcame his human nature to embrace the will of God. Hence his prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will”
By the way, the nails actually go through the wrists in crucifixion, between the bones (radius and ulna). If you put the nails through the palms like they so often show, the weight of the body would just make them rip through the meat of the hands between the fingers.
Right, but God could have just not created him in the first place. The entire plan to send himself to earth as a human is insanely convoluted and makes no sense when you’re literally all powerful.
God works in mysterious ways, amiright?
Yeah exactly, the ultimate cop out response haha
Well, that’s why I look at it solely from a literary perspective. The whole idea of creating mankind, while knowing the whole future of everyone who will ever exist, and then punishing humanity because one of the very first people created failed to obey his rules, something God knew they would do, is simply absurd. But as a story it’s interesting.
The whole premise of the God in the Bible makes little sense. To quote Epicurus:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Omnipotence, Omniscience, Benevolence. Choose any two.
Sure, but there are tons of interesting stories. I’m not going to base my life on any of them
Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest one should. I fully agree with you. I was just discussing the text.
I wonder how much trial and error went into figuring out the ideal nail placement.
He never used his powers for his own benefit, neither for his material advantage nor to show off or get out of bad situations. He only used his power to help others. That’s at least a more reasonable and in character reading than yours.
He never used his powers for his own benefit
I bet he drank some of that wine at that wedding
But he never did it when he was alone, at least not that we know of
Oh, so he’s like Gandalf.
Because the whole point was that he was sent to die for humanity’s sins.
This is actually brought up in the bible, oddly enough:
And the people stood by, watching; but the leaders scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is the Messiahc of God, his chosen one!” The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine, and saying, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” There was also an inscription over him, “This is the King of the Jews.”
Makes sense. Thats probably what people were saying when the gospels were being spread, so it got added in tl them as an acknowledgement / rebuttal.
If he got off the cross how would he forgive people for killing him and for breaking the crazy rules he himself set up earlier? Like, have ever tried forgiving someone without being born as another person, making them angry and letting them kill you first? It’s impossible.
Please stop making him sound cool
