• Formfiller
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    Israel is committing a genocide and what hold do they have over the entire world that we’re not allowed to talk about it?

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      Let’s not give Israel all the credit for the Australian governments’ complicity and the weapon parts we send over.

      Australia is an imperial power too, you just hear less about the islands our police occupy.

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    Well, guess I can no longer act all smug to Americans online

    E: obligatory Israel is committing a genocide

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      Zionist ≠ Jew

      Zionist = Nazi

      Palestine > Israel

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    Such fucking bullshit

    Zionists are filth, and it’s a disgrace how much influence religion has in Australian politics

    Christianity has dominated, but Judaism has always been there too

    Cunts

    Free Palestine, fuck Israel.

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    Let me say that I do believe that the Israeli government is committing genocide. And they believe they are too. They’ve said the quiet part out loud. They don’t want to live in peace with the Palestinians.

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      Can you tell us how many people have died of natural causes in Gaza over the past 27 months?

      If you don’t have the statistics are you able to extrapolate from past statistics?

      Also, who broke the peace agreement on Oct 07 2023?

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        We can’t tell you because Israel purposely bombed all the hospitals and killed the journalist

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        Trash.

        Israel is committing genocide. Everyone knows it. Even the people accepting money from Israeli supporting donors to deny it.

        Anyone who currently supports the Israeli regime is an antisemitic racist turd.

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        According to worldbank.org:

        • In 2022 the crude death rate across Gaza and West Bank was 3.0/1000pop/year.
        • In 2023 it was 7.0/1000pop/year.

        I expect Gaza specific stats are worse. Maybe someone else has further info they can cite, perhaps also relating to 2024-2025, but like others have said, such data is difficult to collect when Israel repeatedly bombs hospitals and their personnel.

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        The Hamas attack on October 7 was also wrong and bad. No excuses there. But there has to be limits on retaliation.

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          At this point, it’s clear that the ongoing genocide is not a retaliation. The Oct 7 attacks were simply an excuse to escalate their genocide and complete the occupation of Palestine. This is common practice in invasions and wars, there’s very rarely a solid reason for war beyond seizing resources like land or oil.

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    American here: we played this game leading up to our last election. Don’t let them get away with this. Remember the power of truth in your words. Keep calling this a genocide.

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    I’ll be honest, I really never understood this zionist thing. How come they have so much power over protestant countries? the wiki says its a movement to establish a jew only land in current Palestine.

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      the wiki says its a movement to establish a jew only land in current Palestine.

      More or less, yes.

      How come they have so much power over protestant countries?

      Long story short, they proved themselves in the 1940s to be a powerful force in the region. The Middle East is known to be rich in resources such as petroleum oil, and it also has major trade routes like the Suez Canal (I’m sure you saw the impact of the Evergreen blockage) and land routes through Afghanistan, Iran, etc… One can see how important the region is in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. So, having a military outpost able to credibly threaten this region with overwhelming force is a very powerful tool for Western imperial powers like the US and (historical) NATO allies.

      So, the Zionist Regime has influence over these countries because they want the Zionist Regime to help us keep power in the region.


      CXORA mentioned the Evangelical Christianity aspect of it, which is real, but I consider that to be more the cultural propaganda reason than the underlying material reason.

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      A Jewish homeland being restored around Jerusalem is meant to be one of the signs of the apocalypse. Christians want nothing more than the world to end. Its a huge part of the religion.

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    It’s an odd premise, and ideally Rowland would have noticed and objected to the question.

    Criticism of a country’s actions (and in fact, it’s really an implied criticism of a regime and its military) is not a threat to Jewish Australians. It may frustrate Zionists, but Zionism is a political movement, it is not a nation, religion or ethnicity. If a Zionist happens to be a Jewish Australian, it is coincidence - I know plenty of Australian Zionists who are not Jewish, and I know plenty of Jewish Australians who are anti-Zionist.

    For an analogy, the interviewer’s question would be as ridiculous as someone asking if it would be illegal to claim the historic Nazi regime committed genocide of Jewish, Slavic, Romani, etc. peoples, and as a result made “white” Australians feel intimidated.

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      And yet the position of the government seems to disagree with you.

      Which is precisely why the law is so problematic.

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        The law was explicitly created for this. Israel succesfully weaponized the Bondi shooting to ban criticism of Israel.

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      It does seem, law as written, that this is the case, even to the Nazi extreme. That’s because it was a knee-jerk hastily, badly, written piece of legislation that was passed rammed through with the help of the Liberals, always a bad sign.

      That’s the generous position, less generously it could have been sitting there waiting for an excuse (never let a good crisis go to waste and all that), intended to further dampen and complicate the right to protest.

      ETA: “Those who made peaceful reform impossible have made violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy

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      and as a result made “white” Australians feel intimidated.

      I’d say it’s more if it was said to make German-Australians feel intimidated, rather than all the white ones. My Irish-Scottish grandparents were all in WW2 fighting against the Nazis in some manner. I’d never call a German friend out for Germany’s Nazi history as that’s not them as a person. Much like I wouldn’t call out a Australian-Jewish friend for Israel’s (Netanyahu’s) actions today. PS: Fuck Netanyahu.

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      that coincidence is very highly probable given the vast majority of israelis and zionists are jewish, hence the problem

      and the softer version of zionism and israeli nationalism is something most western governments deem totally legal

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        No. Just because you live in iseral doesnt mean you support your govenment.

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          The vast majority of Israelis support the genocide - far more than support their government. It’s a fair generalization of Israeli society. The “not all Israelis” point is both obvious and pedantic.

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        How about being a Muslim Israeli, is that ok? There are over 2 million Muslim Israelis.

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          They should be ashamed, no better than house slaves spitting on the field slave. Like a black white supremacist, if you are a Muslim who considers yourself to be Israeli then you are Clayton Bigsby, Uncle Ruckus, Samuel L Jackson from Django unchained.

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    Australia is a colony of convicts which ‘grew’ into a nation of wardens.

    Authoritarian states will always side with their peers over their citizens.

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      These are flimsy slogans: The prison colony of Australia always had wardens in charge. And if one considers Australia to be “authoritarian”, then what states aren’t authoritarian? Wouldn’t we at least be siding with Russia, Iran, and North Korea? Australia sides with the Zionist Regime because of our imperialism; because our rich can get richer by war profiteering.