On the anniversary of the Dobbs decision, 53% say abortion access nationwide has become too difficult, a new NBC News poll finds.
Physician here. There are too many possible issues with pregnancy, social situations, etc. to ever effectively be able to navigate that decision tree via legislation. It is barbaric to force women through a non-viable pregnancy. It is barbaric to withhold medical care from a woman whose life is threatened by her pregnancy. It is barbaric to force women into a devastating social situation.
Society will never agree on where the line should be placed or what is morally correct. The decision needs to be in the hands of the mother and their medical team.
Finally, for those who believe in “natural consequences”. No birth control is 100% effective. Not all sex is consensual. Non-viable pregnancies happen regardless of how careful you are. Bad outcomes aren’t always the result of bad choices.
It wasn’t a good thing that this was overturned. but the protection for abortions should never have been based entirely on a ruling of the supreme court, When, and I really hope it’s when, they get an opportunity to next make abortion protected federally it must be codified that way something like this doesn’t happen again. As is the Supreme Court has two much power and influence for a group of 9 lifetime appointees.
The idea that everything ever must be explicitly specified in the constitution overrides decades (maybe centuries) of legal precedent. That idea only popped up when a weaponized supreme court showed up to do what they were put in their position to do, aka violate everything the supreme court is intended to do
Absolutely. In fact, the Ninth Amendment was written because of that very argument- it says that not every right is enumerated and that there are rights that exist outside of the Constitution.
And it is too easy for republicans - by hook and by shameless cynical crook - to ram their corrupt zealots into SCOTUS, squatting for an entire lifetime, whoring themselves to the highest right-wing corporate and church bidders.
Completely agreed, but something that needs to be noted - because I see people who have clearly been misled about this all the time - is that there has never been a majority in Congress that would pass law codifying abortion rights. Even during the brief Democratic supermajority in 2009, there were several pro-life Democrats that wouldn’t have supported it. Public opinion is moving in the right direction, especially now, and conservative Democrats are essentially archaic relics nowadays, but it’s still an uphill battle, though I am cautiously optimistic in the long-term.
I see people often say that the Democrats have never really cared about abortion, and that if they did they’d have gotten it done in 2009. This simply is not the case.
@AlternativeEmphasis I think it was a great decision. In general the federal government should be doing very little imo. Different people in different states overwhelmingly have different opinions. Now that can play out
Bodily autonomy shouldn’t be dependent on your geographical location.
If you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one.
It’s wild how many Americans seem to think the Supreme Justices are legislators.
True. Roe should’ve never happened, it needs to be decided by the states.
If we don’t pass laws at the federal level, the southern states would still have slavery. These types of federal decisions push the entire nation forward. Leaving it to states is a cop out.
Bless your heart…you have no idea.
My government teacher in rural Missouri was literally a neo-confederate with posters of Confederate generals on the wall, who taught that Lincoln was an evil tyrant and that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery.
Forgive me if my view on the South’s ability to protect human rights is limited.
Roe should’ve never happened, it needs to be decided by the states.
Do you feel the same way about slavery?
Nah, unrelated issues, stop conflating.
Nah, [slavery and abortion bans are] unrelated issues, stop conflating.
They are related in that both legalized slavery and abortion bans are examples of regional legislative causes of needless human suffering. Furthermore, it’s many of the same states doing it. How much suffering should we allow states to inflict on their residents before the Federal government intervenes? What’s your metric here?
I wish you could share that sentiment with someone that actually was a slave.
I wish you could share that sentiment with someone that actually was a slave.
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I absolutely could. Read the 13th amendment carefully: “except as a criminal punishment.”
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You didn’t answer my question. I will repeat it: How much suffering should we allow states to inflict on their residents before the Federal government should intervene? Given that fetuses are incapable of sentience/suffering before 24 weeks, why should we allow states to make women and children needlessly suffer by forcing women to give birth against their will? Help us understand your point of view.
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Fuck the states. My state would not have let me marry my wife if the federal government didn’t force them to. My brother is gay, he’d be doing hard labor in prison for that if my state had its way.
Centralized power is a bad thing. You will understand this when a group takes over that you are not aligned with.
I mean, states rights led to the civil war, right? All those men’s lives they threw away, for the right to rob others men of their freedom and dignity. Good riddance
Your rights should not be dependent on what state you reside in. It’s asinine to think that people who have the same citizenship you do deserve to have more or fewer rights than you just because of arbitrarily drawn lines on a map.
How about states and the fed just keep their fucking noses out of my sisters vagina?
I agree. That’s the whole premise of federation. It’s the whole premise of the US.
Then 61% of the 61% also insists that bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe and neglects (for the nth time) to vote. Sitting on their intellectually lazy asses at home, fondling their so-called purity, then lovingly sniffing their fingers.
But they are both the same. They’re just doing good cop bad cop
Yup. When Hilary lost the election, they tried to overthrow the government, too!
Oh and everybody is selling secrets to the saudis!
And, uh…demonic child sacrifice!
If you are in favor of abortion or opposed, I think it is time to recognize that the Roe ruling wasn’t written to last the test of time. They punted on the question of when human life and human rights begin and said, lacking any understanding of that question, the issue becomes a privacy issue. At some point society is going to have to deal with the question of the genesis of human life and human rights and what to do when there’s a conflict. I would have thought the result was going to be drawing the line somewhere and then creating some sort of due process when an abortion is requested after that drawn line. Instead, we have what’s also not a well-written tossing of Roe that punts the question to the states instead. I strongly believe that the issue will be revisited in the courts in our lifetime.
I don’t care what your stance on abortion is, this is shitty behaviour.
Good for the American voters.
