• fum
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    before and after the *genocide

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    “The Final Solution for the Palestinian problem”

    Yeah, that’s a direct quote of an Israeli government official.

    It’s pretty obvious by now that Zionists are the ideological inheritors of NAZIsm.

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      The only difference is that the West supports these Nazis.

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        Zionism is the unholy marriage between capitalism and the Abrahamic death cults.

        Its crazy for me that the main three religions all want to see the world end in apocalypse. How inhuman.

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        What difference?!

        The West also supported the previous NAZIs until they attacked other Westerners.

        There are pictures of Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth) being taught how to make a NAZI salute by her uncle the then King. Also the US had some big NAZI movement and was selling to both sides of the War until Pearl Harbour.

        (Britan is an especially backwards society compared to the rest of Europe, IMHO - an opinion I formed from living there for over a decade)

        At least amongst the power elites in the West the White Supremacist shit is alive and well and there’s no biggest and purest White Supremacist power than Israel (anybody who doubts the “whiteness” of their supremacist practices only needs to go look at how they treat Black Jews from Ethiopia).

        That’s why it was so easy to slander Palestinians as a people in the eyes of Western Public Opinion for so long - they just leveraged the existing racism around “Muslims” - and that’s also why the reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine was so different: that was White on White violence hence more naturally seen as unnacceptable.

        The Zionist shit, like the NAZI shit, is a continuation of the same white “colonialism” shit from the 19th century - Israel’s “Western Values” are the 19th century European values - and whilst (or so I like to think) a large part of Public Opinion in the West has somewhat evolved since then (more in Europe that the US, IMHO), the power and political classes have not and still operate based on views about other people that are the same as the 19th century power elites.

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      So will they carve out land for the homeless Palestinians like they did for the homeless Jews without consent from the current inhabitants?

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        They “need” Lebensraum, same as the NAZIs, and you can be pretty damn sure that people who support military operations where actual children are activelly targetted by snipers when playing at home, believe and even feel that it’s absolutelly right and moral for them to take whatever they want from those of ethnicities they see as less than human and even call “vermin”.

        The similarities between Zionist and NAZI slogans, policies and actions are extreme, differing in little more than which ethnicities they see as “ubermenschen” and “untermenschen” and using slightly different words for the same slogans (for example, the NAZI “Lebensraum” is the Zionist “Greater Israel”, the NAZI “superior race” is the Zionist “God’s chosen people” and so on)

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            Well, that’s the thing, they are NOT a “genocided people”.

            Most of the people who got “genocided” (which, never forget, were not only Jewish people) were from Eastern and Western Europe, whilst most of the people who moved to Israel by a very large margin were from Russia and the Middle East.

            Further, there is no such thing as a “Jewish Hive Mind” or a pathway for pain and trauma to spread along ethnic lines: practicing the Jewish Religion does not magically make one a victim of the Holocaust unless one was actually a victim (at any level, even if just being forced to flee) or directly related to a victim.

            The number of Jewish people in Israel who are actually victims or related to victims of the Holocaust is a bit over 10% of the Jewish population there.

            Generalizing from individual victims to “race” is a Racist way of thinking. No, they’re not “all the same” and the life experiences and morals of an individual aren’t ditctated by the life experiences and morals of other unrelated individuals who only share an ethnicity and this applies in all ways, both for “good” things and “bad” things.

            The Holocaust for the powers that rule Israel is little more than a Big Propaganda Tool because very few people in Israel were affected by it hence their own personal trauma from it is ZERO, so instead it’s used to spread “racial fear” and other such common elements of supremacist indoctrination.

            So yeah, for the overwhelmingly majority of Israelis there’s really no Moral Break to stop Genociding others due to they themselves or their family having been victims of that themselves, because those Israelis were never directly or indirectly victims - they have only heard about it and when they did it was generally wrapped in “see, we have to protect our Race” kind of discourse that just deepened their own Racism and made them MORE likely to support Genocide along racial lines to “protect our race”.

            What we have there is a supremacist nation where a past of extreme violence against other members of the same ethnicity was weaponized for Racist indictrination, making the people living there more extreme in their Racism and with a much stronger “we must defend our race” mindset, hence more likely to commit Genocide rather than less likely.

            The Holocaust is no fable. Israelis in general being victims of the Holocaust is a total fable - some Israelis were, but most were not, neither directly nor indirectly.

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              whilst most of the people who moved to Israel by a very large margin were from Russia and the Middle East.

              This… isn’t really a good comparison to make here - 70% of the european jewish population had been killed in the holocaust; there weren’t very many left who could move to Israel.

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    Israel “knew” that the enemy were hiding in every brick and tile! Or alternatively, they are in fact operating as a genocide machine

  • Is this the same place? The buildings don’t look like a match, there’s remains in places where there weren’t any buildings before (assuming I’m recognizing the road correctly).

    Asking because usually on these comparisons I can very clearly see the remains and where the buildings used to be so it’s an easy match, but not in this one.

    I hope Israel fucks off and peace can return to your people.