I’m in the market for a new laptop. I’m currently considering the Framework 16 but I’m wondering if there’s anything else I should look at. The System 76 Adder WS seems like a better value, but I’m hesitant to buy Nvidia.

I don’t need anything super portable, just looking for a decently powerful laptop for some gaming and other basic tasks. I use openSUSE TW but even with the Nvidia repo I’ve had issues with Nvidia graphics.

  • @derrg
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    231 year ago

    I have been using a Framework 13 (12th gen intel) since April and I love it. The only complaint is the battery life (5-8 hours of software development with JetBrains IDEs), but in terms of hardware performance, it’s fantastic.

      • @derrg
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        11 year ago

        The 61W battery helps a bit. If I’m compiling binaries locally all day, it certainly tanks.

    • @[email protected]
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      51 year ago

      I also have a framework 13. It has been great! I run the latest fedora and everything works great out of the box.

      My only annoyance is fedora disable hibernate by default and now that s2idle is the default instead of s3, too much battery is used while sleeping. That said, it isn’t difficult to enable s3 and hibernate.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 year ago

      Did they finally fix the phantom drain from the expansion cards during sleep? I had one of the original batch and wound up trading it in because I couldn’t actually use it effectively untethered.

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        1 year ago

        I think the fix for the phantom drain came with the newest refresh (gen 3); I don’t notice a rapid drain when I sleep mine, though because I use the ‘deep sleep’ workaround.

        • @[email protected]
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          31 year ago

          I use s3 deep sleep which then hibernates after and hour. Works great for me as I don’t do work on my personal laptop so I’m only using it on evenings and weekends.

        • @[email protected]
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          31 year ago

          Gotcha- thank you! Glad to hear they’ve figured it out, I love what FW is doing and would love to get back to them. Appreciate the update! !)

  • @[email protected]
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    81 year ago

    Framework 16 is on preorder, take that in consideration if you need a laptop asap.

    Otherwise highly recommend it for the dedicated graphics and future upgradability.

  • Mx Phibb
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    81 year ago

    For computers I typically look at Lenovo, there’s a wide range of choices, and they can have some pretty sweet deals at times.

  • Queue
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    71 year ago

    Gonna have to vouch for Thinkpads, wonderful compatibility. If you use a Libre distro, Intel wireless cards are gonna be your Achilles heel.

    • @chic_luke
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      31 year ago

      The new ones not so much. I’ve had a terrible Linux experience with the ThinkPad P16s AMD Gen 1 AMD

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        what issues? I am considering either an Asus Zenbook or a Thinkpad or a Macbook and recently I’ve heard bad things about modern thinkpads.

  • @[email protected]
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    61 year ago

    Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition comes with Ubuntu. I have the non-developer edition which I run OpenSUSE with no problem.

  • @[email protected]
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    41 year ago

    I’ve got a thinkbook (that makes sense , Lenovo) that I picked up for like <500 which has run Linux since day one. Price/performance is killer. Though, I’d probably go with a framework if I was shopping today. Modular + serviceability wins it for me.

    Linux will run on p much anything; hardware modularity and repair resulting in longevity are my main considerations these days.

  • hyperspace
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    31 year ago

    If you want a laptop for Linux then the obvious choices are Tuxedo and System76. Framework looks cool, but I haven’t heard much about it’s Linux support.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      21 year ago

      They officially support Ubuntu and Fedora, and it looks like people have decent experiences with other distros. That’s on the 13 though, nothing official about the 16.

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    i recommend nvidia geforce now for game streaming, if your ok with some latency. then you dont need to get a gpu at all

    Then your laptop requirements become super easy. I’m running a framework 13 and am quite happy with it.

    The only down side is no coreboot, but I think repairable hardware is more important at the moment.

    • @[email protected]
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      151 year ago

      I don’t understand how people can use game streaming for anything besides something like a puzzle game, input response time absolutely kills me

      • AphoticDev
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        51 year ago

        I tried it with Cyberpunk 2077 and the latency was so low I couldn’t notice it. I had no issues weaving in and out of traffic at high speeds.

        It’s really a matter of whether your ISP can handle it. Many of those in the US cannot because there’s not a lot of regulations regarding the minimum quality of service they have to provide.

        • @[email protected]
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          21 year ago

          Interesting. I’m in Canada, maybe it’s worse up here.

          I had an old manager telling me about the 5ms ping he had when living in the states. In my mind anything below 100 was great

      • @GamingChairModel
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        My ping to the server is usually less than 10ms on wifi, and sometimes less than 5ms on a wired connection, so I’ve found that most games work fine. After all, that’s lower latency than some displays.

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        GeForce now, and shadow, both let you test your connection to see how good it is. Basically you need a low latency and low jitter internet connection. To the data center.

        The maximum latency you want is 40 milliseconds, and you want low jetter. Then you’re going to have a good experience. Obviously the lower the latency the better.

        Speed.cloudflare.com is a good basic test, it’ll tell you what your average latency is to cloudflare, and your jitter is. If that’s good then game streaming might work for you.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 year ago

      You would be much better off using an egpu with the laptop. The latency from streaming is terrible.