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“We know corporations have legal personhood and rights and they are definitely not living,” she said in a phone interview. “So if some nonliving things can have legal personhood, what’s stopping living beings from equally getting legal personhood?”
In Beyond Supernature, Lyall Watson claimed trees could mount a defense against attack (by raising tannin levels in their leaves), and communicate to neighboring plants they were under attack, so neighboring plants would also raise their tannin levels.
He said Desrochers’ film, called Des arbes et des arts convinced citizens that trees are living entities that breathe and communicate with each other through their root systems.
I wanna go live there now. That’s like autism heaven.
I found the film they talk about in the article
https://archive.org/details/csur1qc-BANDE_ANNONCE_-_DES_ARBRES_ET_DES_ARTS
What a cool place to live, what cool people to do this
So is cutting down a tree murder now? What about importing lumber?
Okay, you win, I guess I’m not woke.
“trees are living beings and a common human good, life on Earth depends on their existence”
Is it that radical?
Yes. Trees, like all plants, exist primarily to make human life easier and in that goal are required to die and their corpse be used for a variety of needs; some quite ephemeral, some quite permanent.
Without wood access, assuming you are correctly against plastics, you’re essentially advocating for a world where poor people don’t get furniture, barbecue is tasteless, and wildfires are common place.
Edit: I genuinely didn’t expect liberals to take issue with this. It’s wild how right-wing beliefs like humans being smol inconsequential beans have spread in that community.
Wow, did you not read the things you were typing while you were typing them…?
I thought the idea that the world was made by god to serve humans was known to not exactly be a fact, but apparently some people believe it still.
By the way, yes, quite obviously you are not “woke”.
No one brought up God. Just not using your woo-woo ‘oh the earth and the trees are living beings and we’re all one’ nonsense that helps no one.
They teach that in some churches though, that “everything on earth was put here for us by god”.
Sure, and in some churches they teach that the amount of wealth one has is the exact measure of how much favor they have with God, but you wouldn’t go claiming every capitalists is a believer in Christ because of that.
People can believe that the Apex Predator and currently the only serious life form on Earth is a higher form of life than a fucking plant category that couldn’t figure out how to decompose in any meaningful way for 300 million years.
Oh wow, you’re quite amazing. Tell me that you know nothing about nature without telling me that you know nothing about nature.
“The only serious life form on earth” XD
At this point I’ll choose to believe that you’re just trolling, I can’t actually believe that someone would have such a moronic take. But good job, I almost fell for it.
We can trace every living thing on the planet’s lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one.
Nothing exists for humans. Fix yourself.
Wow, human exceptionalism is fucking gross.
Sorry you’re a traitor to your species.
the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature.
For example, without the trees we’d not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected.
It’s graditute, respect, and understanding.
Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead.
How wolves change rivers!
Are you at the mercy of the canned food in your kitchen? Are you at the mercy of the charge in your car’s battery? Are you at the mercy of the clothes on your body?
Sorry you’re a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol.
That’s not how life works. Every single form of life requires the destruction of other life, until we get down to individual amino acid chains which are very arguably not life the same way a fetus is not life.
Right, and you have no respect for the other living beings that occupy that cycle? You know we’re driving 200 other species to extinction every day, and when we run out, we die too, lol. Your attitude is why human beings are an extinction event.
Every single form of life requires the destruction of other life…
What the hell are you talking about?
youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism.
good work.
You’re not capable of making that determination based on your post history.
Bunch of us in agreement here.
Keep up the fight, it’s a great example of how not to be for future generations.
aww, you peeked my profile :3
Trees exist for trees. Their purpose is to make more trees. Humans are not a consideration.
Their purpose is whatever purpose we have for them. We could eliminate them at any time on a whim.
You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist?
I’m looking at this as if Humans have made the world for humans. Which we have. That’s the opposite of creationism, and the opposite of whatever pseduoreligious spiritualist nonsense people like you push.
We are not innocent equals in this world. We are responsible for the death of at least 75% of species since the 1800s. We have the exclusive power to control all other species. They exist at our whim, and it is our sole responsibility to continue making them exist. Which we have taken on over the last 50,000 years in the way of permanently changing what species are, how they grow, and wholesale inventing new ones to serve our needs. And we did most of that with a fucking bicameral mind.
We are not equal to trees. Trees cannot do anything we can do.
How narrow your view is.
How sad and singular its path.
How unable to witness the world’s beauty as its own.
Humans exist on a survivable vaneer created through chance and time, and we will equally cease to exist if that small biome is disrupted.
Your earlier comment states we could wipe the trees from existence on a whim, and you are completely correct, however how long would we survive without them?
Could you be so shallow to believe that the progress of other humans is so great, that we do not need the very nature that keeps us alive?
Sadness, all of it.
That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it’s exactly what got us into this ecological crisis.
You objectively do not know what either of those words mean.
Oh, sweetie. Honey.
You’re one of those people that thinks there’s a sky daddy aren’t you?
Again quite the opposite. I don’t believe in the great spirit or oneness with everything or any of the hippie shit behind your ideology.
