Russia's Wagner mercenary group founder, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has said the Kremlin's justifications for invading Ukraine were based on lies.

Russia’s Wagner mercenary group founder, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has said the Kremlin’s justifications for invading Ukraine were based on lies.

  • tl;dr botBEnglish
    43•2 years ago

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    The head of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group appears to be threatening an armed rebellion against Russia’s military leadership, after accusing it of deliberately shelling his forces on Friday. Prigozhin published a shaky video on Friday that showed a shattered group of trees and a burning trench, claiming it was a Wagner camp shelled by Russian troops and alleging many Wagner troops were killed. Gen. Sergey Surovikin, a senior Russian general who has been linked with Prigozhin, gave a video address calling on Wagner fighters to stop their rebellion and turn back. Wagner chief says Russian invasion based on lies The head of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said the Kremlin’s justifications for its invasion of Ukraine are based on lies, in another extraordinary attack on the country’s military and political leadership. Prigozhin lambasted Russia’s military leadership for the huge casualties its troops have suffered.

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  • @RalphensnitchEnglish
    26•2 years ago

    This is even better then Zuck vs Musk. Hopefully it amounts to something.

    • Ertebolle
      5•2 years ago

      On that note, despite the rumored cancer and the 19 year age difference, I’m pretty sure Putin could destroy Musk in a cage match.

  • SoPunnyEnglish
    19•2 years ago

    Putins chef be lighting fires allll over Russia.

    Hope Ukraine can make hay of the chaos.

  • @MiddleWeighEnglish
    14•2 years ago

    This is crazy. Perhaps a moment of self reflection? I am very interested to see where this goes. Somethings gotta give. I’d feel, in my bones, that I was dying for nothing, if I was a Russian soldier. Then I look around and realize everyone feels the same and we have guns and military equipment. Maybe it’ll spark something larger.

      • @MiddleWeighEnglish
        1•2 years ago

        Sorry if thats how it came across.

        I realize this guy is just another warlord, trying to save his own ass, but the people around him and below him are just people who don’t want to die, but need some kind of reassurance, even if its based on a bad person doing self serving things, sometimes that’s all it takes in a situation that sucks, to tip a domino. One potential opening.

        I’m not really sure how to unromanticize life tbh. We’re talking about based human nature here. Whether you like to admit it or not, is largely dictated by emotions. It could go any number of ways.

        I am not there.

          • @MiddleWeighEnglish
            1•2 years ago

            Thanks for having this discussion with me, and I will try to be more mindful of the details, when I get up on my soapbox (: I really do appreciate you bringing it to my attention for what it’s worth.

          • @MiddleWeighEnglish
            1•2 years ago

            Oh I agree completely, anyone in a position of power in that situation, is highly likely to be unfit for the job, by my standards. I’m not a nazi, this whole thing is fkd up, and I sure as hell don’t want one evil replaced with another flavor of evil. Tbh, all I know is that i feel for the people stuck in the meat grinder, and I personally do not know how to make sweeping changes to how we treat eachother, so I can only hope for extremely incremental changes. I’m not saying this is one I want, but, what I want is easily impossible to really attain, and I’m not sure what exactly the appropriate action is. The people I’d want to take charge, frankly, will never be in that position. They’re all too busy trying to survive.

  • @TrickyCamelEnglish
    6•2 years ago

    I don’t imagine another fascist being on the throne helps, is there a positive outcome from this? Maybe it will greatly hinder their war effort?

    • CoderKat
      5•2 years ago

      I think the biggest gain is simply that this guy and likely any other Putin replacement would end the war in Ukraine, because they know it’s a waste of lives, money, and reputation. It’s hard to be worse than Putin at this point. And heck, even with Putin still on the “throne”, it could give Putin the excuse his cowardly ass needs to back out of the war.

    • @kaffieneEnglish
      2•2 years ago

      He’s not anti Putin, he’s anti the Russian military

  • DreamyDolphin
    5•2 years ago

    I wonder how much of this stems from that announcement a few weeks back that Wagner was going to be subordinated to the MoD? I haven’t heard anything about it since it was announced (since my main source of information was that front page of the internet which just descended into its own civil war…) From vague recollection, Prigozhin said he was refusing to sign any contracts formalising such arrangements but Putin was backing the defence minister Shoigu on this one, to presumably try and rein in Wagner a bit and keep the game of musical chairs going as Putin’s underlings all vied for influence without anyone being the clear heir apparent.

    Looks like it may have backfired spectacularly if so, because Prigozhin had to have known it would have meant his end if he’d accepted Shoigu’s control, and, as Sun-Tzu warns, a cornered animal (or army) with no way out will fight to the death.

  • @Badass_pandaEnglish
    5•2 years ago

    Sounds like he’s building (or supporting the building of) a case for popular, military backed opposition to the war

  • tinwhiskers
    4•2 years ago

    My wild speculation is that Prigozhin marches in with token resistance, arrests Shoigu and reveals to Putin the deceit from the MoD, before taking his place at Putin’s side. He’s avoided being critical of Putin and says lies from the MoD are the reason for the war. Shoigu is the scapegoat.