Main Thread for Russian Civil War

  • SpaceIsReal
    28•2 years ago

    Automated translation from Prigozhin’s new statement

    “Border guards were coming out to meet us and hugging our fighters after we crossed the state border… We will destroy anything that gets in our way”

    https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672381915431596034

    "The current situation today was a rocket attack on us. After that the helicopters worked off. After that the artillery commands came from the Chief of General Staff to destroy the Wagner Cheka. After a meeting with Defense Minister Shoigu, where they made this decision to destroy the recalcitrant units, which are ready to defend their homeland, but their asses are not. At the moment we have crossed state borders in all places. Border guards were coming out to meet us and hugging our fighters. Now we are entering Rostov, a unit of the Ministry of Defense, or rather, the conscripts who were thrown to block our way, have stepped aside. We do not fight children, we do not kill children. Children are being killed. Shoigu throws untrained soldiers, including conscripts, into the war. He put 18-year-old boys against us, they are our children, they are all our grandchildren. So these guys will live and go back to their mothers. We only fight professionals. But if anyone gets in the way, we will destroy anything that gets in the way. We extend our hand to everyone. No need to spit in that hand. We move on. We go all the way. As for the statements about the arrests. This is brotherhood, this is justice, this is honor, this is conscience. That’s what we have. And when you make statements, you don’t have these feelings, you have destroyed these feelings. So you cannot understand anything but betrayal."

    • @Buffalox
      3•2 years ago

      What an absolute insane rambling from Prigozjin, “We only fight professionals.” and “throws untrained soldiers, including conscripts, into the war.” This from the guy who used prisoners with 3 days of training, as meatwaves in Bakhmut.

      Despite that, I hope he will cause a lot of trouble for Russia and Putin.

  • @lenux12343OP
    22•2 years ago

    getting reports of heavy aircraft leaving rostov, this means they do not intend to hold the airport and are evacuating everything. thats a wagner win without a fight

    • @UnmeltedByRain
      16•2 years ago

      Putin must wish he’d never invaded Ukraine. He had it so good before that total miscalculation.

      Thanks for posting these updates.

  • @lenux12343OP
    22•2 years ago

    Remember 97% of the Russian army is fighting in Ukraine right now, according to U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace.

  • Riddick3001
    22•2 years ago

    just saw this article on Moscow Times ( neutral, now in Amsterdam based news)

    "Following speculation that he had de facto announced an armed revolt against Russia’s military, Prigozhin later added: “It is not a coup d’etat. It’s a march of justice. Our actions do not impede [regular Russian] soldiers at all.”

    Whatever he said or meant, it’s going to be chaos imo.

  • @lenux12343OP
    21•2 years ago

    TikTok Kadyrov’s Akhmat ‘special forces’ battalion has been tasked to stop Prigozhin from reaching Moscow.

    • @[email protected]
      14•2 years ago

      Time to see once and for all whether the bastards are good for anything other than TikTok videos.

      • @takeda
        6•2 years ago

        They got a new TikTok challenge.

  • @[email protected]
    17•2 years ago

    New statement by Prigo in reaction to Putin:

    https://nitter.nl/wartranslated/status/1672536701997072384

    ❗️Prigozhin audio message 10:19AM BST - “no one will surrender to the demands of the President”:

    "Regarding the betrayal of the Motherland, the President is deeply mistaken. We’re patriots of our Motherland. We fought and we are fighting, all fighters of PMC Wagner. And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to live further in corruption lies, and bureaucracy.

    When we fought in Africa, we were told that we needed Africa, and then they dumped it, because they stole all the money that was meant to come for help.

    When we were told we are fighting with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that the ammo, weapons, all money put towards this were also being stolen, while officials are sitting and saving them for themselves for an incident that happened today, when someone is going towards Moscow."

    Now they are not saving anything, they are striking us with planes and helicopters at the columns with civilians. And they hit civilians because they’re missing. And they hit anywhere they can.

    Thus, we are the patriots, but those resisting us today are those who gathered around scumbags.

    Audio: t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3812

    • @UnmeltedByRain
      9•2 years ago

      First I’m seeing him directly call out Putin, albeit a fairly tame call-out.

  • @NoxventoEnglish
    16•2 years ago

    Russian Army is now the second best army in 2 countries. Ukraine and Russia.

    • @[email protected]
      10•2 years ago

      So any remaining conspiracy thoughts of this being orchestrated by Putin as an awkward “out” are clearly gone. Also, this will more clearly set up direct armed confrontation between Wagner and the Russian armed forces. It’s probably not that hard to get some of the regulars riled up against Shoigu and the MoD, but now Wagner has to convince them to go against Putin.

      • @UnmeltedByRain
        9•2 years ago

        Listening to their intercepted phone calls, it seems like they mostly hate Putin for sending them to Ukraine.

        • @[email protected]
          6•2 years ago

          While I agree there will be a lot that hate Putin like that, I think the intercepted phone calls are too anecdotal to get a reliable picture of the loyalties within the military.