creatine is sorta funny for me. If your a meat eater. Especially american level meat eater. You get so much creatine. It cracks me up to see the supplements advertised because they are obviously not advertising to vegans. There is a case if your an intense athlete but we are talking real professional or olympic type level not weekend warrior.

+8 intelligence for 3mins for the standard stuff, +12 for 5mins with the right setup ime