• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    the downvotes are surprising, i didn’t expect piker to have as much support as platner did on lemmy.

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      1 month ago

      I got banned from .world/“progressivepolitics” by the Hasan Platner cult.

      The entire Platner worship is 1 to 1 correlated with Hasan fandom but they will go even further for Hasan. Most US lefties have zero principles.

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        1 month ago

        piker seems to have more discipline than platner, so i suppose we should probably get used to his presence then.

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          1 month ago

          Piker was very much onboard the Platner train until it fell apart when the second sexual assault allegation hit the tower

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    1 month ago

    Tf? That text doesn’t even help his case. If anything, isn’t he giving the benefit of the doubt to the institution that they are NOT supporting a genocidal agenda?

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      1 month ago

      Condemning October 7 is directly endorsing genocide. It means you don’t support the Palestinian right to armed resistance against occupation.

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        1 month ago

        Ig all of his advocacy and fundraising was… Fake? What am I supposed to conclude? The mountain of work he has done to bring awareness to this issue vs Empanada, (who for the record I don’t hate or anything), who seems to be yet another influencer trying to get attention using Hasan’s name? This is just pointless drama.

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          Raising awareness and then… directing people to vote for Democrat? Condemning the Palestinian resistance? Collaborating with Israelis? Blanket condemning anti-Zionists?

          Hasan started off well on Palestine in 2023 but he’s become a pretty large turncoat lately. He’s part of the DSA movement which loves nothing more than throwing Palestinians under the bus for some free healthcare for Americans. Palestinians are the easiest thing to compromise on after all. Kamala is working tirelessly or a ceasefire.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC6xiDKnMzA

          BadEmpanada has done infinitely more to push the boundary on acceptable debate for Palestine and anti-imperialism than Hasan Piker.

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            Now that I am with you, in regards to him continuing to be friendly to the Democrat party and becoming entrenched in the DSA. 100% onboard. And I love GDF’s work, too. Maybe I do have some work to do in sifting through all this. I def have not kept up with everything he has been saying/doing, but also for BadEmpanada. Ig my point is, this whole things smells of drama to me more than anything productive. Sure, criticize his words and wording, 100% fair. Criticize his hesitancy to completely separate from the Democrat party and involvement in the DSA, go for it, I’m with you. Labeling him a Zionist spewing hasbara? Bit of a stretch for me. I don’t think Israel considers him an ally or even a useful idiot. Not saying we shouldn’t demand better from influential figures, but I’ve never thought BadEmpanada does so in the best way.

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              I mean just factually Hasan decided to do a Zionist PR wallkissing tour because Abdul El Sayed and the whole DNC were throwing him under the bus for being antizionist.

              Seriously how bad is it that a Zionist newspaper has to correct him on a Synagogue actually being Zionist? Because almost all Synagogues are. Hasan is straight up lying when he says Synagogues are likely to be anti Zionist and Hasan very much knows this.