• ZagorathOP
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    710 months ago

    An audit of presentations to the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital in 2021 showed about 1.5 patients arriving with e-scooter-related injuries every day. Twenty-five per cent involved alcohol, 71 per cent were male and 10 per cent were not wearing a helmet.

    Personally, I would hate to see e-scooters banned on the back of the minority that use them irresponsibly. I think they’re fun, practical and a good way to get around the city.

    But I do think we could make them safer for users and pedestrians. Brisbane could follow France and Germany’s lead and lower the overall speed limit to 20 km/h. First-time users should have to watch a demonstration video and complete safety modules before riding.

    Maybe they should be banned in pedestrian-heavy areas of the CBD or fitted with technology to prevent illegal riding and ensure helmets are actually being worn.

    Personally, I’d like to see a bigger emphasis on the ebike hires than escooters. They’re just as fun, potentially much faster (equal uphill, faster downhill, and potentially faster on the flat if you’ve got good legs), and most importantly: much, much safer for their riders.

      • ZagorathOP
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        310 months ago

        Do what with them? There’s honestly not much I’d like to do to them in terms of actual regulation.

        Though enforcement of existing regulations could certainly be better. And road design & urban planning could be a lot better to encourage the use of alternative means of transportation.

  • @[email protected]
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    410 months ago

    Was in New Zealand for a short holiday last year and I hired one of those e-scooters for about an hour. Very convenient and fun. Most of the users there were quite well behaved too. I think discouraging anti-social behavior in users here will go a long way in making ebikes and escooters accepted by the community and councils.

  • @MeshPotato
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    110 months ago

    E-Scooters and E-Bikes can and should be treated like their petrol powered equivalents.

    Stay below a maximum power output. In Europe that max is 200w. They should be no more than assisted bicycles.

    If you want to go a bit faster then you’re looking at a pedal assisted motorcycle. A MOPED (MOtor + PEDals). Those are limited to 45-50kmh.

    If you want to go faster than even that, it’s a motorcycle. Just an electric one. Even with motorcycles you have a bunch of categories. In Europe the A1, A2 and fully open category.

    We can open up new paths for A1 which are commonly used by deliver riders to encourage people to get away from car culture.

    That would solve the whole issue of people people being idiots on them and the state can make a bit if income through licensing. I’d rather see that than an outright ban as we want smart regulation and innovation.

    • ZagorathOP
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      19 months ago

      There are power limits on ebikes & PMDs, but the primary restriction that gets publicised about them is speed limits. By law they are required to be speed-limited to 25 km/h. On ebikes, this is their limit under pedal assist. When coasting downhill, or if the cyclist’s legs are strong enough, they can go over that, but zero motor assistance is allowed at that point. They must be entirely pedal assist, not throttle based (with the exception that you can have power without pedalling up to 6 km/h to help you get started). The power limit is 250 W, the same as the standard in Europe.

      PMDs are limited to 25 km/h. Full stop. Under no circumstances can they exceed that. I can’t find any rules around maximum power for these. I don’t think there is one. There’s a 200 W limit on “wheeled recreational services”, but these are a separate category from personal mobility devices under the law, meant more as toys than serious modes of transport.

      • @MeshPotato
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        19 months ago

        Well, and there are a lot of them on the road that are illegal because their power and speed exceed the legal limit.

        IMHO that doesn’t need to be the case. Just as it is with moat drugs like Cannabis. I’m advocating for legalisation of faster E-Scooters amd E-Bikes with the right legislation.

        • ZagorathOP
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          29 months ago

          Oh I see! Yeah I think that’s completely reasonable.

          I would actually start out by increasing the speed for ebikes up to 30 or 32 km/h. This would not be without precedent, since Americans use 20 mph the same way we use 25 km/h now, but 20 mph is closer to 32 km/h.

          But allowing scooters or ebikes at even higher speeds than that to be treated similarly to light motorbikes is a pretty good idea too. I think we’d need better infrastructure to support that though.