edit: i should make explicit. this meme is prodding at liberals humanizing the soldier of the 14th Waffen SS (1st Galicia) recently honoured in the canadian house of commons. this meme is showing off a ww2 ukrainian nazi unit in a fashion similarly done with the “brave soldiers of afghanistan” who would later become the taliban.
the joke is, we would eventually glorify and humanize them as well with enough time
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“okay but have you ever considered how bad the soviet union was?? Like im not a Nazi or anything but they did kinda have a reason to genocide Jews because a lot of soviet politicians were Jews and wanted to genocide Aryan Ukrainians to further spread the cancer of judeo-bolchevism.”
-Some lib on reddit who is definitely not a nazi sympathizer
“The Ukrainian Nazi SS divisions were defending themselves and their culture, their religion from the invaders like the Jews who took to communism because they were poor and jealous and wanted to legally have the wealth of the non-Jewish Ukrainians. You know people get caught up in the race science, but if you ignore that part, the Jews were still bad because they were poor and they wanted to steal wealth! Maybe the Germans and Nazi Ukrainians went too far, but can you blame them! Look at history you tankie! The Russians and Jewish communists did the same to the more “Aryan” types!”
You gotta smash up the obvious antisemitism and repackage it with more contemporary divisions. And toss in some “feels vaguely true” lies to the Americans (mostly, but westerners generally). Few people will openly state they “hate Jews” now days or that they equate Jews with Communism (probably few even know of the history of this equivalency based on how Jordan Peterson has been saying it, in slightly different wording, for like a decade now), but if you tell them some ethnic group is poor and wants their jobs? Well, suddenly border detentions, torture, and even some murder becomes easier to swallow. Different packaging for the same product… liberals love optics and they love defending fascism. Give them a shiny box to place all their terrible ideology in so they can pretend it’s justified and they’ll be plenty happy. I mean, just look at the fucking world.
Oof, Come and See was such a rough movie to watch. Important to watch, but rough.
City of Life and Death is a really difficult one too, but also important. WWII from the Chinese perspective.
Well now I have new plans for tonight. They’ll probably involve a bit of hugging my legs, rocking back and forth, and dry crying, but, plans.
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I have complicated feelings about this comrade 😅
On the one hand, great movie, and very valuable from multiple historical perspectives, ethical issues in its production (live ammunition, young actors) not withstanding.
On the other hand, potentially traumatizing if people aren’t expecting it.
On yet another hand, very funny if reactionaries were forced to watch it 😁
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This a top tier meme ngl.
Tankies simping for Russian nazis by parroting their bullshit rhetoric is just… ugh
Remind me again, which side is whitewashing the SS?
I don’t know, which one is it? I’m not aware of any side actually painting the ss in a positive light, except for the imagination of Russians where the west is praising nazis all the time.
Assuming that’s what you meant with “whitewashing”, because that ain’t what it means
Was the entire collective Canadian parliament giving an SS soldier a standing ovation and raucous applause, followed by defending it, not “praising Nazis”?
The USA, Canada, and many of their allies fought to save as many Nazis from Nuremberg as they could. USA and Nazi Germany inspired each other. Nazi officers, generals, scientists, politicians, and others were given intense PR rehabilitation and integrated into Western society; many were immediately given their old positions back in Western Germany.
The USA and its allies supported fascism over and over and over again in the Middle East, Latin America, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe. Even in Western Europe, they set forth with Operation Gladio where Neo Nazi paramilitaries would be funneled weapons and arms, ready to strike and kill civilians should the peoples of Europe rise against their ruling classes.
Twice in recent years, the UN has proposed legislation to “combat Nazism/Neo Nazism and its glorification.” Each time, the USA and Ukraine were the only ones who voted “no,” and the only ones who abstained from voting were the rest of the US’s allies.
I’m sorry my friend but if you live in the West, you live as a part of a Nazi Empire. We were committing industrial genocide before the Nazis were shitting diapers.
Where were you when the Canadian parliament gave an standing ovation to a member of the SS ?
They conveniently didn’t mention he was a SS, but a “veteran who fought for ukrainian independence against russian aggressors”. That’s literally what whitewashing is, to gloss over or cover up stuff, in this case being a SS member.
Its only “russian propaganda” because they got caught.
twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1706748191301845392#m or https://nitter.net/DevanaUkraine/status/1706748191301845392#m
i’m pretty sure this is a real person
edit: not that i’m saying that all people of the UA are nazis.
tbh this meme refers to the recent hunka debacle with how suddenly there was a massive influx of liberals in my country trying to blur the line, stating that the 14 waffen SS were simply fighting the USSR and how hitler was a “lesser evil”.
i don’t get why you feel this would be immediately modern Russian propaganda, this is literally a ww2 unit lmao.
not mine i just found it amusing that eventually we’ll probably see some unironic post stating that “Hitler just wanted to solve the housing crisis, it was a difficult time, it was complicated, he was in a rock and a hard place, tough decisions were made”
Excuse me? Which side is the one ignoring Azov or pretending that it’s filled with perfectly nice people?
I don’t know, who is ignoring azov? When azov was still a thing - because they got decimated in Mariupol - everybody in the west knew they were nazi sympathisers. The problem was never “Russia is lying there are zero nazis”, it was “having a bunch of nazis integrated in the army doesn’t make it a nazi regime”. But yeah caricaturing the other side is very tempting.
Having a bunch of Nazis in your army, having a bunch of Nazis in your political body, sending children into Nazi radicalization summer schools, having an infinite source of photos of thugs with swastika tattoos and schoolchildren throwing Sieg Heil, international fascists all excited to go to kill Russians in Ukraine alongside their ideological brethren, (as letranger’s comment above reminds us) streets and holidays and events being named after brutal Nazis who slaughtered thousands of civilians, constant rhetoric since 2014 about how all Russians are “orcs” followed by routine violence against ethnic Russians, Jews, brown people, black people, and gay people in Ukraine that killed thousands before Russia did a single thing in this conflict, yeah this doesn’t mean it’s a Nazi regime though. Don’t you think if it was, Zelensky would have gone on TV to say, “Hey guys, we’re a Nazi regime!” ??? I mean prior to this war all the center-left mainstream Western news outlets were talking about how much corruption and how many Nazis were in Ukraine but really, that’s just insane Russian conspiracy. Stupid Russians don’t know a thing about what constitutes a Nazi, amiright? Oh wait, every country outside the West is either neutral or supports Russia? Sounds like there are 6.5 billion Russian bots on this planet…
Everyone in the West? That’s why John Stewart awarded an Azov member at Disney World right? You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
excerpt context: after the UA government had decided to add to the list the 110th birthday of nazi collaborator bandera to the list of days worthy of commemoration.
“Glorifying the person whose men committed countless heinous crimes is an insult to the victims and an unthinkable distortion of the history of the world’s most horrific genocide," said Dr. Zuroff.
“Unfortunately in recent years, Ukraine has been one of the major propagators of a distorted version of Holocaust history which seeks to hide or minimize crimes committed by Ukrainian nationalists,” he added.
Weitzman added, "It is clear that Ukraine is choosing to rehabilitate antisemitism and to censor history.” He noted that, along with the Bandera national holiday, the Ukrainian region of Lviv announced that 2019 would be “Stepan Bandera Year” and that a book exploring the antisemitic actions of politician Simon Petlura, who led 1919 pogroms against Jews, was banned.
“By joining with other countries that are rewriting history Ukraine is showing how little it has learned from the tragedies of the past. These actions are a disgraceful affirmation of Ukraine’s darkest past and an absolute rejection of democratic values,” Weitzman concluded.
mind you there are streets named him. You aren’t even slightly suspicious that maybe the narrative we’re being told on MSM is fabricated?
Presumably both Dr. Efraim Zuroff and Mark Weitzman are ‘Russian trolls’.
Looking at the blinding speed of nazi normalisation in the west, soon they will be called “judeobolsheviks”
Comment on threads you agree with instead of disagree with and you won’t feel frustrated enough to go ugh. I know its difficult. I have trouble with it sometimes too.
The main reason I like Lemmy is that not everything is a debate yet. It reminds me of the old forum I had for my private WoW server as a teenager.
Also, sometimes I ask myself if something really affects me, and if its worth stressing over. Some things are important, so rather than ask myself if it affects me, I ask if I can do anything about it. If its out of my control, then it may as well be sports.
You’re not wrong, but seeing people simp for Russia with all the information available is just triggering.
I could excuse nostalgic tankies because it’s normally people in their teens or twenties who have no idea what the ussr was about (we have nostalgic fascists too in Italy, what can you do) but actually simping for Russia in 2023 is unbelievable.
This shit appeared in my feed, as soon as I find a way to hide this tankie cesspool instance from it I’ll do it and move on
Bye 👋
