• @[email protected]
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    Feel free to report antisemitic comments, but antizionism isn’t antisemitism and acting like it is is antisemitic and will net you a ban starting once this comment is posted.

    Reporting borderline stuff will not get you banned but as someone who had family at auschwitz I’m tired of blatant antisemitism in defense of a settler colonialist apartheid regime.

    Hall of shame:

    @[email protected]

    • @[email protected]
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      There’s a difference between antizionism and antisemitism. Just as there’s a difference between Israel and Jews.

      Blame Israel, it’s anti Israel. Blame the Jews, it’s antisemitism.

    • Jack.M
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      Also any expression of support for the Israel led genocide of Palestinians or any sort bigotry will not be tolerated as per Rule 3.

      • gabe [he/him]
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        Antisemitism explicitly refers to hatred of Jews, it’s a weird linguistics thing but its why when referring to antisemitism there isnt a dash (anti-semitism) as that would specifically refer to all semites as a whole (which palestinians are). It has roots to the specific phrase that was used in German to refer to hatred of Jews.

          • gabe [he/him]
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            Don’t attempt to explain my own peoples hatred to me. I know more than you as I’ve lived this, as a Jew who is explicitly not a Zionist and has faced antisemitism online and offline. Stop.

    • Uranium3006
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      We need international peacekeeping in the region to enforce a new set of accords

      • kayjay
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        The international community has shown to be Pro-Israeli and thus anti-Palestinian. The Palestinian Plan for Partition was a plan to peacefully split up British Palestine into a separate Jewish and Arab state, as well as Jerusalem becoming a free city. The plan gave 62% of the land to the Jewish community despite the Arabic population having twice the population. Obviously the Arab population rejected this plan on the basis that it violated the right to natuonal self-determination, and thus this perpetual conflict was born.
        Especially with the US being so obviously Pro-Israel and having virtually all power on the decision-making of the West, why would you think the Arab population would ever get fair treatment under an international “peacekeeping” mission?

    • @TheTetrapod
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      Very disappointed in the Lemmy community for down voting this.

      • magnetosphere
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        When you limit yourself to specific incidents, it’s easy to judge right and wrong. Over the course of years, though, neither side can claim the moral high ground.

        Overall, this is one of the most pointless, wasteful, and inhumane conflicts in human history.

        • @SARGEx117
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          Personally, when dealing with two groups who claim the same land, I side with the one that’s been there the longest, not the one that shouldered it’s way in, demanded a room, and started shooting anyone who told them to leave.

          But the US kind of has a penchant for that.

      • @[email protected]
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        Killing - no matter the victim is inhuman.

        Believing one side has the right to kill while the other must take it, is pretty gross.

        “Slaughtering civilians in the streets” is precisely what the IDF does on the regular, just so you know. It’s hard to imagine any group of people would live under military occupation for 70+ years after being forced to leave their homes for refugee camps without the desire to fight for their freedom.

        • @[email protected]
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          There is almost nothing in this world that is more human than killing other humans. History is full of it. Religious texts are full of it. It’s what humans are best at. Is it awful? Sure, but it’s an act as human as it gets.

          • @[email protected]
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            Point made. Sadly it’s true. Especially today as we spend trillions on technology designed to kill.

          • @[email protected]
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            Sorry, but I have been an advocate for Palestinian rights for years. I’m not just shilling out propaganda on the day of a massacre. As I type this, the confirmed death tolls have Israelis near 100 while Palestinian deaths are near double that. So if you want to start talking about massacres, just so far today Israel has caused more death, let alone the days, weeks, months, years and decades prior to today.

      • ToastyWaffle
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        The IDF was just rounding up innocent civilians this week, you gotta look at a bigger picture than just this morning.

      • kayjay
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        Agreed. Which is why the IDF also needs to be eliminated.

        Both sides are and have been commiting atroscious acts against civilians and neither side can be excused for their inhuman actions.

        • But in that consideration the power imbalance cannot be ignored. The IDF is a highly modern, most likely even nuclearly armed army, wheras the people inside Gaza are denied access to such simple things as building materials by the Israeli Apartheid.

      • o_d [he/him]
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        That’s what op was advocating for. Or did you forget that Israel is an apartheid state?

      • The illegal settlements that are condemmed by the UN? Yeah sound about right to let murderous religious fundamentalist occupiers just occupy. You say the same to the Ukrainian people fighting the Russian invasion? They should just come to terms with Crimea being occupied?

  • @kemsat
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    It’s almost like people don’t like it when a bunch of outsiders move into their land & kick them off.

  • @[email protected]
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    Those 8 fascists who downvoted every single comment in support of Palestine, show yourselves.

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    Israeli air raids have hit the Gaza Strip after Hamas announced the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel.

    The group running the besieged enclave says it has fired thousands of rockets towards Israel. Several casualties have been reported.

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    I remember being in school back in like 97,98 the teacher would turn on the news in first period. All I remember was everyday that school year there was coverage of Israel and Gaza blowing each other up.

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    So, I just noticed my comment got removed because some mod interpreted it as me saying the Palestine Genocide is complicated. Where did I once state it is complicated?? I just wanted to analyze it through to the best of my knowledge and even remained open to criticism.

    This is blatant silencing in my opinion, to the mod who deleted it, I publicly ask you to message me, to tell me your full reasoning behind this so we can civilly discuss it in private. Also, to remind, I clearly don’t support any sort of genocides, they are disgusting and horrendous.

    Outside of that, have a nice day/night.

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      lol, lmao even. There should be a rule that people have to link their comments if they want to whinge and be disingenuous about moderation.

      The comment in question

      CW: genocide apologia

      I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized. This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do. So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound “Islamophobic” and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered “hate speech”. I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn’t focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)* *Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don’t support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there. – ::: spoiler spoiler ___ So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above…rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda. You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can’t remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but…it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth. And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there…the same went to the opposite side. To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit. There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though? Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can’t be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their “pet” to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas “went to bed” with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike. They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider “true” Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list. Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let’s not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know. So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this? We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don’t want us to do: Working together. No one is innocent truly. No one. I am saying as someone who’s from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn’t want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people. Let’s hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies. ::: I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies.

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      Your comment got removed because saying there’s nuance in resisting a genocide is a nazi talking point.