cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1539337

The screenshot shows the recommendations from https://join-lemmy.org/.

Still being federated with exploding-heads does not mean the instance supports them. But it means that shit-heads are allowed to take part in the discussions on their communities. They do intoxicate the discussions we will have. They will attack minorities. Maybe you will not be harassed by them, more vulnerable people will be. They are allowed to moderate communities on these instances. Exploding-heads members actively guide young and unknowing people to their hateful instance.

They try to start discussions about the holocaust https://sh.itjust.works/post/227268. They create communities only to crosspost exploding-heads content https://lemmy.world/c/pharma They take over discussions against them https://exploding-heads.com/comment/132189 “WHY are vulnerable people joining a decentralized system? Isnt this why you want a closed, not for public eyes community?”

This was a link to exploding-heads, because when someone copies a permalink of a comment from them on another instance, it will be a link to their instance.

Are we building a place where vulnerable people are welcome and safe or are we building a place where nazis are welcome and safe?

They want you to block them, they comment that everywhere. They block people who are in favor of defederating them https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 When their opponents won’t see them anymore, they can harass and recruit without being noticed.

Blocking will not solve the problem. They will spread even when you close your eyes.

Maybe this was not done intentionally, but now there is a post with a list of ‘health communities on Lemmy’ with the first entry guiding to exploding heads. https://lemmy.world/post/396561

It is still possible that some of the mentioned instances do support them. The owner of sh.itjust.works says that because of “free speech” all other instances would be allowed. It is suspicious to me that his line is drawn only for lemmygrad https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474

The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship, and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said, sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day.

I’d like to also point out that the lemmygrad instance has far more blocked instances than what is currently blocked here. Maybe you can create a post on that instance to see what that’s all about and report back?

At the same time they seem to ignore the call and vote to defederate with exploding-heads https://sh.itjust.works/post/433483.

They rejected to delete The_Donald from sh.itjust.works until they feared to get isolated from the other instances: https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310. They where aware of The_Donald and ignored early warnings. (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/266248). TD was more important to them than keeping the only mod of their 4th biggest community c/patientgamers (https://sh.itjust.works/post/291747, https://sh.itjust.works/post/388922)

Since The_Donald was removed, I did not find more racist content on the mentioned servers. That is part their tactics. They act harmless but recruit to their instance, attract likeminded people and chase others away. Discussions on sh.itjust.works about such topics are very toxic already, soon they might be able to do more harm.

(My research is very limited, as i could not search for all exploding-heads member content on other instances by entering their domain. I know there are nice communities on sh.itjust.works.)

What can be done? On joinmastodon.org there is a Mastodon Server Covenant with very few useful rules, one of them is “Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia”. https://joinmastodon.org/covenant It would be a first step to implement these rules for join-lemmy.org. At least instances that want to be recommended on there should have to agree to that rule.

More actions should be taken now. Please make suggestions. Things will only become more complicated. The next reddit wave is incoming.

For those who did not already know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone

This is not the first time new platforms face these problems, do we really have to repeat the same mistakes?

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update: lemmy.word defederated eh

  • @[email protected]
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    I emigrated to Lemmygrad, because I was so fucking dissapointed by Polish lemmy instance szmer.info. They call themselves “anarchists” but they are just bunch of libs. They blocked Lemmygrad. But now listen this: they are federated with exploding-heads. What the fuck. I am so fucking pissed off. There is no hope to Poland.

    LIBERALISM LEADS TO FASCISM!!!

    Every fucking time.

    • SpziOP
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      To combine two topvoted comments from the original thread:

      basically the_Donald: fediverse edition, playing the traditional Alt-Right playbook. They troll, raid, and generally cause problems across the threadiverse in the name of promoting their authoritarian world view.

      I don’t know how much of that is true, but it did not seem completely wrong.

  • @[email protected]
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    51 year ago

    For those not in the know (me) - what is this “exploding heads” place? The edgy name is suspicious, and I would prefer not to give them traffic without knowing first. What’s their deal?

      • @[email protected]
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        31 year ago

        The page does not load now, maybe it is overloaded. If so, it looks like it is vulnerable to overload attacks 😎 I am not a hacker, but I suppose it is easy to make a Python script which would constantly visit this shitty site?

          • @[email protected]
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            21 year ago

            When I find some time I will look around. Once I found something like this, may be useful in the future. Then, it is sufficient to buy raspberry pi as a server and start that attack from public network (like university network). I have no experience but should work

  • @stochasticity
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    51 year ago

    A related question, how do I see which instances my instance is or is not federated with?

  • @[email protected]
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    31 year ago

    Do you think that going there and spreading ML posts, and attacking them verbally or even by threats has some sense? Or it would be mentally degrading for us?

    • SpziOP
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      I don’t know. I’m also not the author, I just spread the word because I thought this might be relevant for fellow antifascists. I had no plan but to inform “this exists”, and let you come to your own conclusions.

      If your ‘you’ was directed at the broader audience, please excuse me.

  • @Something_Complex
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    31 year ago

    Look we still shouldn’t close ourselves in our bubbles. They here, confront them don’t run.