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Hospital workers confessed to concealing weapons in incubators in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU), a space intended for treating premature babies.
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Who determined they were terrorists? How were those confessions gained?
So those guns they are holding above their heads and bullet proof vests are medical utensils according to you.
That doesn’t answer either question. Even if they found a cache of weapons and vests, that doesn’t mean the people they have arrested were the ones responsible for hiding them. Giving them to the people to hold to “prove” they are terrorists is just theater. I’m sure you know that the IDF is perfectly capable of putting rifles in people’s hands.
I’m sure you know that the IDF is perfectly capable of putting rifles in people’s hands
Well I’m in contrary, not sure, and this statement remains false until you prove this statement regarding this article, with a reliable source, otherwise.
Do you really think the IDF would allow them to walk out of that compound with loaded rifles in their hands? Or do you think it’s much more likely that the IDF unloaded all of those rifles, if they were ever loaded in the first place, gave them to the men, and then had them walk out?
Because the IDF are really fucking stupid if it’s the former.
While I generally agree with you, I do need to point out that those rifles are unloaded and it is common for enemy combatants to be forced to carry their non-combat-functional equipment this way as a method of capturing equipment.
I’m no professional militant and I wasn’t there, so I have no comment.
If you can prove otherwise relating to this article, with a reliable source, the facts remains as stated in the article.
It’s not my job to prove the article is wrong. The article makes the claim and fails to prove the claim. I do not have to prove anyone is telling a lie. It’s not my job.
Anyway, I never said the article was wrong. I asked questions- questions you have not even attempted to answer.
There was literally an article three days ago on the BBC that showed that the IDF did exactly that.
The IDF has been lying this entire time - a bunch of the casualties from the October 7th attack were caused by the IDF themselves.
There was literally an article three days ago on the BBC that showed that the IDF did exactly that.
To which article are you referring?
a bunch of the casualties from the October 7th attack were caused by the IDF themselves.
They weren’t, it’s a conspiracy theory
Oh, so these people speaking arabic cutting the womb of the mother and stabbing the baby while it’s still alive are also IDF. Who would have thought. Good thing you straightened that up for all of us. It seems Israel really had to come up with a reason to go against Hamas, since the rest of the claims are fake.
I wrote:
until you prove this statement regarding this article
You wrote:
There was literally an article three days ago on the BBC that showed that the IDF did exactly that
This is not relevant for this article, so currently there is no proof regarding this article.
The IDF has been lying this entire time
False statement.
- a bunch of the casualties from the October 7th attack were caused by the IDF themselves.
This is not relevant for this article, so currently there is no proof regarding this article.
So you are saying the IDF is unarmed?
The terrorists are the IDF.
I reported this comment as “Irrelevant accusation”
Relevant and clearly obvious. No accusation.
I disagree, and it’s not relevant to this post.
This is sad, next to babies.
You mean the guns and vests Israel forced them to equip so they could get a photo op?
Yeah, I trust this about as much as I trust the story that Hamas was storing guns and grenades in the same room as an MRI machine.
You think people would just make up stories about baby incubators to justify an invasion? Inconcievable.
You know MRI machines are only magnetic when they are turned on?
In any hospital an MRI machine is used all day. Any hospital comes as close to using every piece of equipment constantly as often as it can, even overbooking patients before being willing to invest in an additional piece of equipment.
Do you believe that MRI sat idle for months so they could stockpile weapons? Did the hospital as a whole agree to store weapons instead of accepting the sick?
Would you casually allow any local terrorist cell to stockpile weapons in a room at your place of work without saying something? Even if you would, would every single coworker do the same?
Almost any specialty in a hospital may have a reason to recommend an MRI, so it’s not like this would be a closely guarded secret. The entire hospital would know fairly quickly that the room is unavailable. What any practical person knows that any conspiracy theorist overlooks is how hard it is to keep a lid on a secret, especially as you keep adding people. Hell, they couldn’t even keep a lid on GTA VI.
Have you ever heard of the Manhattan Project? Where they built 2 small cities and an incoming President was kept in the dark on the project for years…
I’m not saying it happened or not. I’m just saying it is a possibility it happened. I have 0 clue either way
It seems unlikely to me that Hamas would have deployed Manhattan-Project-level counterintelligence work so that they could hide some guns in an MRI machine’s room, instead of maybe just stashing them in a broom closet down the hall.
It’s possible, sure. But this is my opinion on its likelihood and that sounds reasonably grounded to me.
An alternative explanation that seems more likely to me is that the IDF really wanted to be able to publish some photos that indicated that Hamas was using hospitals as armories, and so they propped some guns up next to a highly recognizable piece of medical equipment found only in hospitals so they could get those photos. Maybe the guns were taken from the broom closet down the hall, maybe they weren’t, I don’t have any basis for an opinion on that part. The rest seems most plausible to me in the meantime.
You’re presuming that the weapons got stashed there while it was still in use, which has not been established. The weapons were in a bag behind the MRI machine, not in it. Here’s the video.
Yeah, you really got me there. There’s no way things would have been able to react to the MRI machine because they’re in a goddamn bag.
If you don’t understand science that’s fine, but please show your way out of the conversation and let people who want to have an actual discussion participate.
Care to explain to me why the metal objects they are rifling through the bag aren’t flying into the MRI machine then?
Turning off the Magnet
Is the magnetic field turned on and off between patients?
Resistive electromagnet scanners, in theory, can be turned on and off. However, it may take 30-60 minutes for their magnetic fields to stabilize after being off and hence they are generally left continuously on during daily operations. To save electricity, they are usually turned off or have their power levels reduced after hours.
https://mriquestions.com/is-field-ever-turned-off.htmlIf you don’t understand how MRI machines work that’s fine, but please show your way out of the conversation and let people who want to have an actual discussion participate.
Um. You proved me right and have therefore suggested for me that this was staged. Congratulations?
The MRI magnet is ALWAYS on. This means no person is allowed to enter the MRI scan room without clearance and permission from a certified technologist. Metallic objects (such as fingernail clippers, pocket knives and even pens) can lead to serious bodily injury if brought within the magnetic field.
Lol, you linked a different hospital’s rules regarding MRIs, which are that way because under normal circumstances it never shuts off. I linked you a page that shows that there are three types of MRIs, and one of them can in fact turn off its magnetic field. Now, I haven’t established if that’s the kind that they use in Al-Shifa, but it’s quite possible. At very least the fact that it’s off means there is no moving magnetic field and depending on where the magnet is, it may be totally possible to stash a bag there without negative consequences. Different machines use different magnetic strengths. The fact that the metal items in the bag aren’t being affected makes your theory not very compelling and seems to be proof that this is possible.
Do you know MRI machines are used constantly and so they’d have to keep moving the guns and grenades in and out of the room all day every day? It literally makes zero sense logistically to store them there because you can’t LEAVE them there.
You don’t have to trust it, but currently, it’s a fact unless otherwise provided.
No, it’s not. It’s not fact until it’s verified.
It was verified by multiple media sources:
- https://themessenger.com/news/gaza-hospital-incubators-weapons-israel-hamas-war
- https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3245350/israel-says-weapons-found-80-hamas-members-arrested-gazas-kamal-adwan-hospital
- https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-n-calls-for-investigation-of-deaths-at-hospital-israel-says-was-hamas-command-center-7c02ac1d?mod=middle-east_news_article_pos1
Would the confessions be in any way obtained at gunpoint?
Hey look, they CAN do something other than bomb the place into rubble and shoot everything that moves.
They can also force confessions of terrorism! Pretty bold headline that’s parroting IDF propaganda, if you ask me. Wouldn’t say this article belongs in a news community.
You could very well be right, but even if true it gives the lie to weeks of their excuses for how they have handled this so far.
This is also true. Any way you cut it, the IDF are the villains in this story.
Who will save the Palestinian population from Hamas, that setup military cells in civil buildings, schools and hospitals?
Did anyone tried to save them?
Did anyone succeed saving them?
By the current ongoing IDF revelations, since Israel disengaged from Gaza (2005) as an attempt to give Palestinians independence, there was ongoing terror prosper, not Palestinians prosper, but terror prosper.
Funny how the anti-Israel crowd moves the goal posts from there is no evidence to, this is IDF propaganda and can’t be trusted. I guess the footage they released of Hamas tunnels was also faked? The footage of belligerents shooting from the hospital too?
On one of those videos that the Israeli soldiers filmed themselves and then posted (because they don’t think they’ve done anything wrong), there’s one where they’re singing a song about attacking their enemies and one of the lyrics was something to the effect of “there are no civilians” among the Palestinians.
Of course, if the Israelis think that there are no Palestinian civilians, that means that every Palestinian is an enemy soldier, and therefore a legitimate target. :/
Source?
It’s true that I don’t trust the IDF here, just as I wouldn’t trust the SS in WWII. If you think that’s farfetched, then I will hope you come to your senses.
Soo, you trust Hamas instead?
IDF slogan “Hamas was all the bodies we created along the way”
Lol gotta love these deflections and whataboutisms. I always wonder if you lot are deliberately deflecting, or if you’re just incapable of engaging in any meaningful way.
It is a valid question if you do not trust IDF as source of information. It is not diversion tactics.
Incorrect. I challenge you to scour my post and comment history for any mention of Hamas or anything that would justify you asking such a question. (I’ll save you some time – you won’t find it.)
Otherwise, we’ll just assume you’re deflecting.
Edit: “Fascism is good, actually.” -liberals
Reportedly considering harsher immigration laws is fascism now? 🙄 What a reasonable take.
Can you show me 40 decapitated babies?
I will start to consider trusting them after that.
More than 100 bodies found in Israeli kibbutz Be’eri after Hamas attack (CNN) I don’t know whether they are decapitated or not, but these are who IDF fight against, babies murderers.
The point was that the IDF made a big deal in the opening days about how they had found forty decapitated babies, and used that as proof of how bad Hamas was.
That was the one where they went too far and everybody started wanting proof of so outlandish a claim.
I really wish I could find the video where the IDF guy say something like” we know we have lied in the past but this time it is different.”
Those babies are where people started doubting them and looking at everything so clearly
It isn’t related to this article.
The article state facts, and they’ll remain facts until otherwise proofed regarding this article.
You are being wrong saying it’s a propaganda because this is not a lie. It’s an official report from within Gaza.
I have no doubt there are official confessions obtained via coercion including threats and possible torture.
I do have a doubt, because there is no proof it happened.
However, there is a proof that weapons were found next to baby incubators.
After Hamas killed more than 100 babies with their own hands, I actually won’t have a doubt they’ll put weapons next to these babies.
You can have doubt, you can not believe it, it’s ok, but facts are facts.
Hamas is brutal and bad for the Palestinians, prove me otherwise.
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Those soldiers went in after the bombings. You’re inaccurately implying that they should have gone in without air support, which would have caused massive casualties to their side.
which would have caused massive casualties to their side.
And those are the only casualties that matter!
In war, yes, it should be unsurprising that one’s own forces are considered more important to protect than enemy forces, or civilians from a hostile nation.
“Enemy civilians.” Implying all Palestinians are members of Hamas and thus deserving of death. How humanitarian of you.
The 7000 children killed in Gaza were not anyone’s enemy. Because they were children.
I edited my comment to be more clear and concise, but you replied too soon, I had a feeling you’d interpret that phrase in the least charitable way possible.
Civilians from a hostile nation is more accurate, although widespread public support of intifada doesn’t mean you’re entirely wrong. Despite this, israel is still choosing military targets, unlike their opponent.
How exactly should have I interpreted the phrase “enemy civilians?” What is the charitable interpretation of that phrase?
Civilians from an enemy nation that’s at war with yours
Ah, I see, you’re likely one of those singing that song. :(
No they don’t.
