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  • “There is not a single men on earth that thinks he mistreats women”

    • implies that no men can recognize his own wrong doings towards women (yes, you can mistreat someone and be aware of the fact that it was wrong)
    • assigning this negative attribute (lack of awareness) to a gender group

    “Every man dishes out exactly what he thinks women deserve”

    • implies that all men have an internal view that they apply to all women






  • I agree, but to change that, to make this world more empathetic, we can’t just say “well tribalism is real so I will judge you based on the tirbe I think you belong to” we have to both accept that tribalism is real and has a real affect (which in the context of this post can be seen in rape statistics, domestic abuse statistics, etc) and that each human is an individual that has nothing to do with any tribe or statistic until proven otherwise.

    If you asked me “who is the more oppressive gender in our society?” I can easily answer “men” but if you ask me “between 1 man and 1 woman, who is more oppressive?” All I can say is “I don’t know them”


  • MTKtoWomensStuff@piefed.blahaj.zoneHow true do you think this is?
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    2 months ago

    There is a difference between believing “society teaches men X” or “society enables men to do Y” and believing “all men are X” or “all men do Y”

    This isn’t a “not all men” comment, this is a genuine discussion about how our victimhood causes us to go beyond justice and equality and into retaliatory attacks.

    There is a big difference between a small comment like “all men suck” (which I still think is unhelpful and hurtful) and the deep and thought out belief that the OOP posted. To say “not all men” to the small comment is to miss the point and just be defensive, but the OOP is something else that deserves discussion, not to mention the fact that the title of this post is asking for opinions.

    Just to add my pov for context:

    I am AMAB but I am not a man, but society identifies me as one. I have been hurt bu people generalizing about non-cis, I have been hurt by peolle generalizing about non-straight, I have been hurt by people generalizing about women, and I have been hurt by people generalizing about men. The one that stands out the most for me is the men one, not because of any special attachment or because it is worse (it is obviously not), but because within the groups that are understanding and accepting of who I am (call it liberal, woke, progressive, idc) the generalization of men was always so casual and in the open. It reminded me of the other side, the people that I used to hate because they would openly joke about “the gays” and black people, and especially women. Everytime I heard a sexist remark I would cringe and wonder how they can be so casual about being so horribly disrespectful and aggressive towards literally half of the world? And now days I don’t hang around these kinds of people, but I find myself in a very similar situation because it seems that here (while they are 10000% better) they feel comfortable to openly disrespect and be aggressive towards the other half of the world…

    I will say, this is just a comment so there is a lot of nuance here, but while I draw similarities between both sides, I whole heartedly believe and feel that one side was actually horrible and the other is more of understandably flawed situation.


  • I think the issue with this opinion is the core assumption that all men necessarily have all encompassing views on all women. Once you don’t evaluate people based on random groups they have no real choice in being a part of, you stop having ideas such as “women deserve X” or “Blacks deserve Y” or “All men are Z” or any other form of bigotry.

    So as frustrating as the patriarchy is, and as much as it sucks that significant portions of our society is inherently sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, and much more. We won’t solve it by just being sexist the other way, nor will we teach the next generation to empathize with those who are different. We need to be honest with ourselves and ask “Am I judging people based on their actions, or based on immutable attributes?”

    The tags society assign to you (be it gender, race, religion, etc) mean nothing about your value. Your actions and beliefs are the metrics that should be used to evaluate you as a person.


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    2 months ago

    Well, we are on the internet and I don’t want to hear your reasonable and nuanced arguments! /s

    Yeah, sometimes things just go that way and we have to do our best to come back to it later.










  • The fact is that AI has reach a point of not being identifiable as AI, but that does not mean it is beyond criticism.

    Art is inherently about meaning, intent, background, humanity. An amazing art piece is rarely amazing because it is the most skillfully crafted most beautiful piece that exists (though some are)

    Look at almost all famous paintings, most of them are not all that impressive when compared to what other people can create, not that they are shitty, but rarely do they actually surpass all others with beauty or skill.

    And the final point is that AI art is built on theft of human art, it is the abuse of the human artistic spirit for the purpose of capitalism.