• Colonel Panic
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    -16 months ago

    We don’t HAVE options here. It’s Biden or Trump… Again.

    And don’t even start with the BS lines of 3rd party blah blah. That will never happen under FPTP voting here. We are stuck with voting against one of the two leading candidates and that’s it.

    If we had Ranked Choice Voting then YEAH for sure. I’d vote for someone other than Biden in a heartbeat, but we don’t, so I am forced to vote to keep Trump out, and Biden is the only option for that. And if Biden doesn’t win, Trump will.

    So what would you have me do? Vote for Trump and make war crimes increase? Not vote? Vote 3rd party and risk Trump winning? I’m listening.

    And I AM doing what I can to elect better people, but my one vote isn’t doing much if others aren’t helping. So, maybe talking about this on the Internet is EXACTLY what needs to be happening.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      36 months ago

      Positive change does not come from electoralism. Vote for whoever you want, but organize and help gain traction for leftist movements.

      • Colonel Panic
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        16 months ago

        I do everything I can locally and in primaries and before the main presidential elections. I vote for who I actually want in all those. But for the main election I’m going to keep Trump out of office the best way possible and voting 3rd party isn’t it.

        Until we have ranked choice voting across the board we ARE stuck with a 2 party system. Arguing against that is ignoring decades of proof on some weird hope that “maybe this time our 3rd party guy might win” and they never do.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          16 months ago

          I don’t see how any of what you just said relates to what I just said. Positive change towards Socialism cannot happen electorally, so if you want to vote for Biden, go for it. It won’t move us any closer to Socialism.

          • Colonel Panic
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            16 months ago

            Oh, maybe I misunderstood. Sorry. Yes I agree. It’s why I want to see Ranked Choice Voting being pushed. That would get more socialist leaning candidates that could implement some social policies to benefit all of us.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              16 months ago

              Ranked choice would be nice, but I don’t share your optimism that it could be implemented broadly in the US, nor would it allow Socialist leaning candidates to take office.

              The US is built on Imperialism and maintaining its status in the global order, any candidates that go against that would be ruthlessly slandered by the media and near forcibly removed.