• macniel
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      And you achieve what? A person to constantly suffer, for what? Your righteous high ground? You condemn that person to torture, you realise that right?

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      You’re the person who would force a baby to be born and live a life of pain, suffering, and burden on those around them instead of abortion. You’re not saving a life, you’re destroying them.

      Answer me this, why? Why are you against it?

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        This is more of an anti-natalist position than a pro-choice one. The right to bodily autonomy includes the right to reproduce, even if you think the parents are too poor. The two situations aren’t comparable because one involves a person making a decision about a fetus, and the other involves the life of a full-fledged human being.

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          The right to bodily autonomy includes the right to reproduce

          It also includes the right to end your own life. Are you against bodily autonomy?

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            If someone walks into a hospital and says they want to inject bleach into their veins to cure COVID, is that still covered under bodily autonomy?

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              She didn’t want to cure Covid in a hospital, she wanted to end her suffering by ending her life in a dignified way.

              So are you against bodily autonomy?

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                You didn’t answer the question. Are you against bodily autonomy?

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                    That’s because it’s unreasonable and made in bad faith.

                    I don’t support any right as an absolute principle. Rights have to be balanced against each other with consideration of the material effects. What you’re doing is applying a principle designed to cover one type of situation to a situation that is only superficially similar. A reductive tactic to avoid engaging with the complexity of the issue.

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          Nobody is forcing anyone to abort a pregnancy? Those are simply options for parents to take if they want to.

          So is this option to die with dignity when life is suffering.

          Where is your attorney badge, for you clearly missed your appointment.

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            People have the right to have children, regardless of if the circumstances they’ll be brought up in are up to your approval. To say they shouldn’t have that right is not pro-choice, it’s anti-natalist.

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                  But you were literally pointing that out? Or would you say that your entire point is irrelevant and should be dismissed?

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                    No one is presently stopping people from having kids, but that doesn’t mean that anti-natalism doesn’t exist.