No, the other user is claiming that they don’t have a “working” full self driving but is being vague about what they mean by “working”.
I don’t think the other commenter is being is vague at all. “Full self driving” quite literally means Level 5, maybe level 4. That’s just what those words mean. There’s no argument here.
Full Self Driving is just the name of the software
Yes, which is the problem.
The end goal of it is to eventually be capable of level 5 self driving so that’s why it’s named like that even though it has been a work in progress all of it’s existence.
Which is exactly why calling it “full self driving” now doesn’t make any sense. It’s false advertising at best, and a super dangerous overpromise at worst.
Wouldn’t make much sense to call it “partial self driving under supervision” because Full Self Driving is a better marketing term.
Of course it’s a “better marketing term”, because “full self driving” is the pinnacle of self driving tech, what Tesla and everyone else in the race is trying to achieve. The problem is that what they have is not full self driving, and in fact whether it can ever be achieved with current Tesla hardware is far from proven. I’m not confused as to why they call it that, I’m arguing the point that they shouldn’t call it that.
Misleading? Well yeah perhaps but that’s what marketing teams do. Nothing new there.
Not at all. This is not typically what marketing teams do at all. It’s pretty damn unusual for a major corporation to sell a product under the technical term for what it may be at some point. Or do you have any other examples of this?
Not a single Tesla owner is under the illusion that you can just enable the system and take a nap.
Maybe not, but do you really think no-one bought a Tesla based on Elon’s promise that it’d be fully self driving by 2019? Or that you could monetize it by having it run as a robotaxi at night by 2020?
Doesn’t mean people don’t do that but they know that they shouldn’t.
Tesla and Musk not constantly overpromising and misrepresenting their product with false confidence might help with preventing people from placing undue trust in the system.
Personally I don’t see a huge issue with that name. It’s level 2
As you say, it’s level 2. “Full self driving” is level 5. You still don’t see the problem with the name?
it does what the name implies: drives itself
It quite literally does not drive itself given that a driver needs to be around and alert to take over at any moment.
I’ll grant you that the name is misleading. They should change it. It’s also plausible that there’s some number of customers for which the false marketing claims may have been the deciding factor in their purchase decision.
Is there something else you feel I’m confused about?
I don’t think the other commenter is being is vague at all. “Full self driving” quite literally means Level 5, maybe level 4. That’s just what those words mean. There’s no argument here.
Yes, which is the problem.
Which is exactly why calling it “full self driving” now doesn’t make any sense. It’s false advertising at best, and a super dangerous overpromise at worst.
Of course it’s a “better marketing term”, because “full self driving” is the pinnacle of self driving tech, what Tesla and everyone else in the race is trying to achieve. The problem is that what they have is not full self driving, and in fact whether it can ever be achieved with current Tesla hardware is far from proven. I’m not confused as to why they call it that, I’m arguing the point that they shouldn’t call it that.
Not at all. This is not typically what marketing teams do at all. It’s pretty damn unusual for a major corporation to sell a product under the technical term for what it may be at some point. Or do you have any other examples of this?
Maybe not, but do you really think no-one bought a Tesla based on Elon’s promise that it’d be fully self driving by 2019? Or that you could monetize it by having it run as a robotaxi at night by 2020?
Tesla and Musk not constantly overpromising and misrepresenting their product with false confidence might help with preventing people from placing undue trust in the system.
As you say, it’s level 2. “Full self driving” is level 5. You still don’t see the problem with the name?
It quite literally does not drive itself given that a driver needs to be around and alert to take over at any moment.
I’ll grant you that the name is misleading. They should change it. It’s also plausible that there’s some number of customers for which the false marketing claims may have been the deciding factor in their purchase decision.
Is there something else you feel I’m confused about?