It’s not a comparison at all. People on here really don’t seem to understand how hypotheticals work.
What I’m doing with that is merely establishing that the right to bodily autonomy is, like all rights, not absolute. There are cases where it has to be balanced against other rights or material considerations. At no point did I claim that it was analogous to assisted suicide. There is nothing remotely bad faith about establishing that point.
You brought up a random hypothetical that’s not meant to be analogous but you used it in your argument… You asked if it was body autonomy to want to inject bleech, ignoring the nuance of being informed or not. It was a bad faith example, and you continued to ignore nuance to force an answer you wanted.
Your hypothetical is about someone making an uninformed decision that could kill them. This story is about a person making an informed one. Yes, if someone wants to do something that could harm them, without turn realizing, we should educate them. But if the person is informed and wants to take their life, that’s their right. And if a person wants to inject bleach, knowing full well what it will do, then that’s their right, it’s their life. Trying to parent every adult in the world is silly and insulting.
I mean you can tell me what I support and what I don’t understand all you want. I %100 agree with full body autonomy. I have a hunch you just see too black and white to understand the nuance I tried to highlight.
I agree, it doesn’t have to be. But if you want assistance, that assistance can inform you before assisting. You can inject bleach at home, but a doctor doesn’t have to do it for you. Your autonomy does not obligate others to act and it doesn’t prevent them from giving you information.
So yeah, I’m %100 for it still. How exactly do I not understand?
Ok great, then people can commit suicide at home but that doesn’t compel anyone to act to assist them. Looks like my stance is fully consistent with bodily autonomy and your objection is meaningless.
It’s not a comparison at all. People on here really don’t seem to understand how hypotheticals work.
What I’m doing with that is merely establishing that the right to bodily autonomy is, like all rights, not absolute. There are cases where it has to be balanced against other rights or material considerations. At no point did I claim that it was analogous to assisted suicide. There is nothing remotely bad faith about establishing that point.
You brought up a random hypothetical that’s not meant to be analogous but you used it in your argument… You asked if it was body autonomy to want to inject bleech, ignoring the nuance of being informed or not. It was a bad faith example, and you continued to ignore nuance to force an answer you wanted.
Your hypothetical is about someone making an uninformed decision that could kill them. This story is about a person making an informed one. Yes, if someone wants to do something that could harm them, without turn realizing, we should educate them. But if the person is informed and wants to take their life, that’s their right. And if a person wants to inject bleach, knowing full well what it will do, then that’s their right, it’s their life. Trying to parent every adult in the world is silly and insulting.
So you don’t support bodily autonomy as an absolute principle. Or else you don’t understand what the word “absolute” means.
I mean you can tell me what I support and what I don’t understand all you want. I %100 agree with full body autonomy. I have a hunch you just see too black and white to understand the nuance I tried to highlight.
I’m the one trying to highlight nuance, you’re the one trying to insist everything’s black and white.
Yes, the “No you are.” I’m in favor of %100 body autonomy, what nuance am I missing?
100% absolute body autonomy would mean consent doesn’t have to be informed. That’s the meaning of the word “absolute.”
I agree, it doesn’t have to be. But if you want assistance, that assistance can inform you before assisting. You can inject bleach at home, but a doctor doesn’t have to do it for you. Your autonomy does not obligate others to act and it doesn’t prevent them from giving you information.
So yeah, I’m %100 for it still. How exactly do I not understand?
Ok great, then people can commit suicide at home but that doesn’t compel anyone to act to assist them. Looks like my stance is fully consistent with bodily autonomy and your objection is meaningless.