cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/16133154
Link to original Tweet: https://x.com/DavidZipper/status/1795048724021862898
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/16133154
Link to original Tweet: https://x.com/DavidZipper/status/1795048724021862898
They really aren’t that much better for the planet compared to ICE and when compared to transit or active transport they really are the least effecient “green” option.
Its not just about reducing carbon, we should be trying to reduce overall energy usage and focus on effecient systems.
Everyone driving their electric SUV to park in a sea of pavement is not effecient land or energy use.
There are select instances where they are a greener option than transit. If you live in rural areas with really low density it is often cheaper and greener to not build mass transit systems there. But I’m really just splitting hairs here.
@Tak @FireRetardant Yes, when a bus route will result in a larger vehicle with 1 occupant they are bad.
That is a very small % of passenger mileage.
Ideally busses shouldn’t even be used in situations like that as rail is significantly more efficient but a train wouldn’t want to slow for one passenger either.
@Tak Or build stations and tracks where so few people will use them.
Building more tracks for everything would be good, but still not an answer for everything.
A world where we only had trains and push bikes would be nice, but not likely to happen.
@LovesTha @Tak
People act like you need a huge population to have rail, but #Germany moves people around smaller towns just fine by rail.
#PublicTransit #PublicTransportation #FuckCars #WarOnCars #urbanism #de
@figstick @Tak you probably need a density of more than 1 person per square km. That is where most people live. It is great for most people. Maybe even nearly everyone.
But for the last 0.1% something else is needed.
But even then it might be better to have personal rail vehicles on private tracks (the same tracks the farm should be using for it’s produce.
You mean using same road cars would use for buses, while optionally removing extra lanes, is less green and cheap than building and maintaining 18-lane monstrosities in the middle of nowhere?
18 lane monstrosities are connections between the dense cities/burbs. We’re talking two lane highways here, nobody builds an 18 lane freeway to a town with 50 people in the middle of nowhere. At best they will build a freeway THROUGH the middle of nowhere but the nowhere wasn’t the purpose of the freeway, the connection to another major city was.
All those 18 lanes are built ONLY because of cars.
And there are fewer cars per km in rural areas. Do you think the dirt owns cars?
What? Cars per length? What is this unit of? Some wierd linear density? I’m saying that that 18-lane abominations are built only for no other reason than driving cars. You say that car infrastructure is cheap, especially in rural areas, but you seem to ignore(intentionally or not) most expensive and destructive part of it. Which happens to go through rural areas. Or you can name abomination that is purely within city limits?
And public transit just doesn’t need this abomination. Public transit works fine even with one lane per direction. Or track if we are talking about trains.
That’s not even what I said. Why talk to people if you have no intent of actually listening? Talk about an unpleasant person to talk to.
You said sentence that has no clear meaning. Per km of what? Per average distance between houses? Per average distance those cars travel? Or you want to say rural areas require more car infrastructure per car? If so, then this is close to what I was trying to say.
I reread entire convo. This started from
And if you are not the only person living in that area, then public transport WILL be greener. One car for two people is more efficient than two cars for two people, one car for four people is more efficient and one minivan for eight people is more efficient than two cars for four people. And minivan is just few steps awa from bus.
And again, less total amount of cars means less car infrastructure needs to be built and maintained, which means less money spent.