Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342
Dessalines AKA “parentis_shotgun” on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.
Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):
Please join the discussions for Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem:
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
And the discussions for finding/creating alternative communities on other instances:
https://lemmy.world/post/16235541
What is a tankie?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.
You should know /politics and /news ban anyone critical of israel and Lemmy.world is ran by Zionists.
Known shill Linkerbaan defending Lemmy.ml with a whataboutism. Not very original.
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shillneoliberalLinkerbaanfuckingkangaroos defending Lemmy.mlworld witha whataboutism.adhominems Not very original.This is true.
Also, some other communities straight up ban you for being in any way critical of NATO/US.
Lemmy.world mods just banned returntoozma from /politics for not posting enough postive news about Biden hahaha.
Only Orange Man bad.
I would like to see similar proof of this allegation as exists elsewhere in this thread for .ml communities. Can you substantiate your allegations?
It’s not that I don’t believe you necessarily, it’s that it is completely counter to my own experience, where it seems to be commonly accepted that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing, war crimes, and likely genocide.
Can you illustrate any comments that have been deleted/users who have been banned for critique of Israel?
Sure thing.
This is what got me a banned for “antisemitism” on /news. Because factually stating that israelis are Europeans that colonized Palestine is actually a hate crime against Jews according to the /news mods.
Don’t look up Netanyahu’s real name that’s antisemitic.
I have also been banned multiple times before on those communities for stating the fact that there is zero evidence that Hamas raped anyone on October 7, one of israels biggest lies that has been heavily debunked by now. But this too is not allowed because israeli lies are not allowed to be debunked until at least 6 months years after israel is done using them as propaganda to commit Genocide with.
And returntoozma, a well known poster that frequenntly posts pro-Palestine articles who is not too happy with Joe Biden being complicit in Genocide, just got banned from /politics for too many negative posts about Joe Biden.
Also, here’s a UN report that may interest you:
“Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council”
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm
Many of the first stories by Israeli first responders have been illustrated to be false, however that doesn’t mean no sexual assaults happened: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-sexual-violence-zaka-ca7905bf9520b1e646f86d72cdf03244
yes the UN which confirms there is zero evidence of rape provided by israel. Consider reading it. The report states that any testimonies do not count as evidence as a UN investigation (which this is not) would have to take place. Israel is blocking the UN rape investigation because of course, there is no evidence of rape.
If legalese is too difficult consider: https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/pramila-pattens-rape-fantasies
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/12016983
That’s my comment, where I replied to you, with a source from the United Nations. I’ll highlight the relevant… title of the page… for you:
“Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council”
I also included an APNews article about this very topic, and addresses the ways that disinformation regarding sexual violence in this conflict about. Here’s the headline of that article:
“How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war”
Edit: here is the actual UN report: https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/report/mission-report-official-visit-of-the-office-of-the-srsg-svc-to-israel-and-the-occupied-west-bank-29-january-14-february-2024/20240304-Israel-oWB-CRSV-report.pdf
AP massively manufactured consent for israel their report is worth nothing as they were spouting those debunked rape lies to begin with.
And it’s certainly not 2 accounts… It’s far more.
And the israeli government claimed on BBC that there were survivors of “khamaaas rape” and that they had video, photo and forensic evidence. All which turned out to be lies.
So you did not read anything I’ve sent you?
I’ve edited my previous comment, and included the actual UN report.
Read the first line in my comment again. Israel is blocking the actual UN investigation. Your report specifically states that it is not evidence and cannot be used as evidence.
The AP has been targeted by Israel for its coverage of the conflict.
In that article they interview the people who initially reported some of these cases of rape, and illustrate how and why they were wrong. It doesn’t say anywhere that there are no other erroneous reports of rape.
The UN report, which I’ve linked elsewhere, illustrates the evidence and methodology, and makes the convincing argument that sexual assault likely occurred in the context of Oct 7. It’s in plain English.
Once again https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/pramila-pattens-rape-fantasies
Consider reading that instead of replying to me. It debunks everything you said about the UN report 5 times over.
I have read the UN report. You have not.
Can you tell me the time of your interaction happened so I can look it up in the mod logs, and the thread itself? Your comment seems fairly innocuous to me, and I would certainly be surprised to see that it is viewed as a hate crime.
EDIT: I can’t see that return2ozma was actually banned in the mod log.
Returnoozma posts the same stories over and over again, to as many subs as possible, and with a clear agenda that doesn’t seem to extend much past “Biden is bad.” They have also been called out for it repeatedly by the users there, and I have personally asked them to tone down the reposts. But it’s not as if they have their content constantly removed. It was overwhelming.
If a community asks a user to ease up on posting the same content over and over, with a clear agenda, which seemed to be the case with oozma, then a ban seems appropriate.
Not sure how to link the thread. This should be the comment but it is removed
Ozma should have gotten banned for spamming in that case, but the explanation posted publicly on /politics says “posted too many negative things about Biden”, not “spamming”
I think that comment removal was out of line, but I don’t think many comments should be removed at all. However it doesn’t look as if you have been banned from any other subs across .world, have you? That’s a large part of the discussion happening here.
I just read the announcement about his ban. It’s strange I couldn’t find it in the mod logs when I looked. However, their explanations are pretty well articulated, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to make a user who overwhelms a forum with a clear agenda take a break.
I was banned from /politics for 30 days for debunking israeli rape propaganda. That ban expired recently. Only worldnews is not in the gripes of Zionist censorship (of the three big news communities.)
They did not ban ozma for spamming but supposedly for propaganda.
You were banned for misinformation. It’s in the mod logs.
I’m not sure what you debunked, but based on our short interaction here you seem to deny that there is any evidence of sexual assault. Which is not true: there’s plenty of evidence, which I have you in another of my responses.
What is true is that some of the reports of rape were untrue. Read the AP news article I linked, where they interview some of the people who actually made those initial reports and reconsidered them.
I think it’s ok to acknowledge that both Hamas and the Israeli government have committed atrocities, and keep doing it. I can condemn both.
Getting back to the point of the OP here, though: there are plenty of examples of Israel being criticized, that have survived moderation.
I don’t know that I agree with the decision to ban ozma, but it does seem like it was at least openly discussed, and it doesn’t appear as if he was also banned from completely unrelated subs for his actions.
Which, again, is a huge crux of the OP that you seem to be avoiding.
There is no evidence of Hamas raping anyone on October 7 as proven by the UN report. Only oral testimonies of which we have evidence many were fake. All the israel claimed to have turned out to be fake lies.
You have never provided any evidence.
/news and /politics contains far fewer criticism of israel than /worldnews. This is easily observable.
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Then stop posting there.
I have stopped posting there because… they banned me for posting negative things about israel.
Your same argument can be applied to anyone complaining about .ml by the way.
Go find me a post or comment I’ve made in that shithole.
Then come back here and delete your response in humiliation.
This is not about you this is about the argument you are using.
You could type “then stop posting there” as a reply to OP as well. It solves nothing except to create echo chambers.
And I can say the same to you, which I am. Stop posting there if you don’t like it. We’re not talking about OP. We’re talking about you.
No we’re talking about you.
You can stop replying if you don’t like it.
Wow your argument is amazing I am winning every debate with this.
Is that so? How is this about me? I’d LOVE to see you suss this out.
It is about you. And you can stop posting underneath here if you don’t like it.
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You can’t help yourself, can you?
Do you mean people in favor of the existence of a state of Israel (original meaning) which is most of the Western world, so unsurprising, or in favor of the colonization after the 1993 “two states solution” agreement?
If it’s the later, do you have proof?
Most of the western world does not agree that criticism of israels right to existence is illegal or antisemitic.
The world mods permabanned me for clarifying that israelis are as native to Palestine as the Russians are to Crimea.
“To be fair, Israelis are extremely European. In fact 75 years ago they mostly lived in Europe. They should consider going back. The problem here is that Putin was banned two years ago for war crimes and israel is not while it is committing a massive Genocide.”
= Permaban for Anti Semitism.
So you confirm you used the original meaning? Then yes, that’s pretty average Western. You wrote it as if it was some extremist position, but it’s not, hence my question.
There’s probably some western countries or political groups that will judge this as being antisemitism because they follow the logic that the existence of Israel is essential to the survival of the Jewish people. This idea was obviously much more consensual after WW2 than today.
There are some groups Zionist lobby like AIPAC that will argue that. I don’t care about those groups. They call every and all criticism of israel antismitic.
There was no mention of Judaism and israel is not a Jewish state to begin with. It is a Zionist state.
This is like Hexbears calling negative things about China Sinophobic.
Only Zionists subscribe to the notion that saying israelis are European colonists is “antisemitic”. And going as far as to ban a user for it is hardcore Zionism. Thus the /news mods are provably Zionists.
I’m from Israel, and no one is using “Zionism” in the second meaning.
Zionism is, by definition, support for Israel as a Jewish state.
There are those who say “real Zionism” is supporting settlements in Gaza and the west bank, but there are also those who say “real Zionism” is an Israeli state existing alongside a Palestinian state. That’s like a US democrat saying a “true patriot” would support supplying a social safety net for the well-being of all citizens, while a US republican would say a “true patriot” would support a small government that doesn’t restrict the will of all citizens.
Personally, I feel that referring to Zionism in general as support for Israeli control over the west bank and Gaza started as a (partially successful) tactic to de-legitimize the existence of Israel. Not saying everyone who uses the term incorrectly is an antisemitic or whatever, but that’s basically where it came from.
I don’t think they say this much anymore since all Republican policies are explicitly about restricting the will of their fellow citizens.
I never used it this way or considered it this way until the past few months. 🤔 Now you’d have a hard time convincing me that it’s not what it means.
Thant’s not really the point, though it does kinda feed into a general issue with the way both out countries (assuming you’re from the US) are divided - When was the last time you had an actual talk with a republican in order to understand what he/she thinks?
Err… that’s just the definition of the word? You can look it up on any dictionary.
We could talk about the current government, it’s policy or the opinion of Israelis but saying the entire concept of Zionism equals support for Israeli control over the west bank and Gaza is not only factually wrong, it collapses the Israel-Palestine issue into a winner-take-all situation, where both sides are encouraged to beat each other in the hopes one of them will give up before both are dead.
Every day until the Pandemic. My republican friends now work in a different office than I do. It’s not hard to see the policies and politicians they vote for though, and I can read the handwritten signs in their yards explicitly calling me an idiot, moron, or traitor for having different views than they do. (I see those every day BTW.)
I’m just looking at what I’ve spent the past several months witnessing via news reporting and video clips. I’m not debating what the dictionary says about it. (And in any case, dictionaries reflect usage not prescribe it.)
Cool, good for you (seriously). Do you honestly think they’ll say they’re against the freedom of the individual, or is it that you think they’re against it? Not saying you’re right or wrong, just asking if you’re describing what you think they’ll say, their own beliefs or the beliefs/consequences of their party. It’s an important distinction, especially when trying to engage in dialogue with them.
Maybe I don’t follow enough news outside of Israel, but I do read quite a bit and there wasn’t anything about Zionism. Could you maybe link to one or two sources?
I’m actually not debating at all, right now I’m trying to understand you, and I’m having some difficulties. My best guess is, you seem to have issues against the Israeli army and government (me too, btw), and somehow decided that’s Zionism. Zionism is more than a century old, and there are plenty of people who call themselves Zionists, yet don’t support all the IDF and the Israeli government did during the past few months (you’re talking to one right now, and Biden is another example). Do you think these people are wrong in what their opinions are? That they’re lying? That they’re not using the correct word, even though that’s the same usage as in the dictionary?
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