• @givesomefucks
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    -177 months ago

    Biden won 2020 in spite of being Joe Biden, it’s why it took almost 40 years for him to win his first presidential primary, people just don’t ot want him as president.

    Now that we’ve had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected…

    I really don’t think he can pull out another razor thin win like in 2020.

    We’re risking trump so we can have a Dem president that’s more conservative than Dem voters want.

    There’s no logic behind it, except the donor class would rather have trump than a progressive. And just like AIPAC, they decided it’s easiest to just buy both parties in the primary.

    This is the third election and a row, it’s not going to be different in 2028. If voters only requirement is “blue” then nothing is stopping either party from getting more and more conservative every election

    • TWeaK
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      237 months ago

      How was Biden worse than expected?

      • Nougat
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        Doesn’t matter, all parent commenter needs to do is say it, and it’s true!

      • @Zehzin
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        57 months ago

        I think he’d be worse if you expected him to not support Israel do a genocide, but if you expected that you should have read up on his positions and, frankly, the last 70 years of United States foreign policy.

        • @blazera
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          07 months ago

          Expecting or not doesnt affect being bad or not

          • @Zehzin
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            Totally. But this is about wether he’s below or above expectations. If your expectations were low then it stands to reason the bad things could match your expectations.

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              17 months ago

              My bad i forgot expectations was the question asked

      • @blazera
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        -Union strike busting

        -Climate acceleration, more highways, more trucks and SUV’s, banning affordable EVs

        -Increased defense spending

        -Higher deportations and now executive order asylum closing

        -Renewed oil and gas leasing on federal lands, and weird restriction on leasing federal lands for renewable energy that more oil and gas leasing has to happen first

        -The longest stretch of no minimum wage increase ever.

        -rampant inflation

        -lack of prosecution for a ton of crimes from Trump and other republicans

        -no effort against Americas problem of gun violence

        -campaigned on fixing a gap in subsidy coverage for health insurance for the lowest earning Americans, with no mention since

        Not even mentioning the biggest problem people have with them, plenty of people have told you already.

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          Roe v. Wade was overturned under his mandate period as well. Sure it’s a Supreme Court decision, and the SC is mostly republican but it’s not like Biden couldn’t have pushed harder. He could, but then he wouldn’t be able to campaign on it.

          “Vote for me and I’ll return some rights to people, maybe.”

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            Yes, it’s all the Democrats’ fault that six Republican appointed justices overturned Roe.

            Bullshit.

            • @Zehzin
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              It is absolutely their fault there are more Republicans in the Supreme Court. Justices aren’t naturally occurring by unpredictable Acts of God.

              It is also RBG’s fault, while we’re at it.

              • @[email protected]
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                97 months ago

                Your RGB point is the first one of merit. Sure should have left at an advantageous time.

                The judges were appointed by a majority Republican Congress with a republican president. In what way could democrats stop it?

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                  Scalia died almost a full year before Obama left office. That was his appointment, but the Dems didn’t bother putting up a fight because they were convinced Clinton would be the next president and wanted to focus on the election. Then in freaking late October 2020, days before the election, they once again allowed another Trump appointment without putting up any sort of fight or stall tactic because they didn’t want to rock the boat before the election.

                • @Zehzin
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                  The majority republican congress and the republican president are also their fault. They’re pretty much the only ones running against them.

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                    So more people should have voted Democrat, despite misgivings, to avoid a worse outcome that comes from not voting Democrat.

                    It’s a two-party system, those are your choices.

      • @[email protected]
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        37 months ago

        “Worse than expected,” depends largely on the individual and what they were expecting. It comes down to expecting one thing and being disappointed in the outcome.

        People who expected him to be an ally of immigrants are disappointed in his border policies.
        People who expected him to fix Trumps “easy” trade wars are disappointed in his trade policies.
        People who expected him to support labor are disappointed in his ban of the railroad workers strike.
        People who expected him to champion human rights are disappointed in his support of the IDF.

        He may have met your expectations and the expectations of the majority of Democrats. Biden’s 2020 victory depended on several groups who only showed up because they hoped that he would address their specific concerns.

      • @RampageDon
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        17 months ago

        People got confused when he ran on a platform that was “nothing will fundamentally change” and thought that meant he would push all the progressive ideas they wanted /s

        • @[email protected]
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          27 months ago

          And people up above are literally commenting that Biden is “the most progressive leader” we’ve had in several decades.

        • @btaf45
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          37 months ago

          Because he’s further right than Reagan and Bush Jr.

          Those 2 both gave gigantic tax cuts to the rich. Biden raised corporate tax rates. I can remember every president since Nixon and Biden has been the most progressive in my lifetime.

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                While the new taxes are “generally not positive for stocks,” the 15% corporate minimum tax won’t be “material,” Wells Fargo analysts wrote in an Aug. 9 research note that called the new taxes “modest.”

                Just over 170 companies in the S&P 500 paid less than 15% in taxes last year, according to a new analysis by Credit Suisse. Of those corporations, less than half would likely see a tax hike for 2023 since the legislation allows companies to use adjusted earnings, which can be massaged in a number of ways, the analysis found.

                So a very modest increase for roughly 80 companies. Really groundbreaking stuff here.

                https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/16/bidens-new-corporate-tax-hike-wont-be-material-to-most-us-companies.html

                In passing the bill, they also stripped out universal child care and tax cuts for the middle class. Business as usual it seems. Lots of money for energy companies and health insurance companies and nothing for the working person.

                • @btaf45
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                  So a very modest increase for roughly 80 companies. Really groundbreaking stuff here.

                  Enough to significantly reduce the deficits and pays for some social spending and climate change efforts.

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                    This is projected to bring in up to $30B per year. The current deficit for the year is already at $855B and projected to hit $1.6T. Hardly a drop in the bucket.

                    I won’t argue that it’s bad these corporations are now paying at least a little bit in taxes, but this is pretty pathetic for some ‘landmark’ legislation.

      • @someguy3
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        -27 months ago

        Some people think the entire world and everything in it can be changed on a dime. I have to constantly tell people things take time.

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          A lot of the problems we’re facing are not something we can wait on. Climate change is already going to effectively change our life to an unrecognizable extent, even with a Democrat is charge.

          Perhaps too many people have grown comforted by the inevitable. I’m still a little panicked, and it doesn’t seem like anyone’s doing anything to stop it.

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            A lot of the problems we’re facing are not something we can wait on. Climate change is already going to effectively change our life to an unrecognizable extent,

            Then it is a good thing Biden rules and Convicted Felon Treason Trump drools in his diaper.

          • @someguy3
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            -17 months ago

            Did I say we can wait on them? No. I said change takes time. And it does. Can we go out and ask everyone on the planet/US to change out their car for an EV tomorrow? No we can’t. Things take time. Sounds like you should have beef with the people that protested voted against Jimmy Carter, against Gore, and against Hillary. We should have moved the needle a long time ago.

            And there are still other items to be worked on that people demand, like student debt, the economy, unions, chips act, ukraine, etc. Things take time.

            • @blazera
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              27 months ago

              Why are you talking about things taking time as if we’re slowly progressing in the right direction? Hell no, we’ve been moving in the direction of more gas powered truck and SUV sales, more gas production, more highways, all of it promoted by democrats.

              • @someguy3
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                -17 months ago

                First the entire context was “How was Biden worse than expected?” to which I answered that some people think everything can happen on a dime, which they can’t because they take time.

                Second, we are moving in the right direction. Unprecedented green energy policies, EV incentives, charging infrastructure, pretty sure there was stuff for train building, quick googling says $20.5 Billion for transit funding https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/biden-harris-administration-provide-205-billion-federal-funding-support-transit. Congrats, you showed you are the exact person that thinks the world can all change on a dime.

                • @blazera
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                  37 months ago

                  And some 20 times more than that is going to highways

                  Two-thirds ($432 billion) of that $643 billion is flowing to conventional highway programs. https://t4america.org/iija/

                  Meanwhile, gas guzzling SUV sales have skyrocketed recently https://www.theautopian.com/heres-the-exact-year-suv-sales-overtook-sedan-sales-in-america/

                  As for EV incentives, China has been dominating with EV adoption lately with affordable options. Theyve got a damn 11k brand new EV that is so enticing, the US and EU are banning it from import because it would be too successful here.

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                    Ahh the “not enough!”, aka “not fast enough!” You want more? Then vote Dems in consistently and overwhelmingly.

                    And then the “it’s not changing fast enough!”. You do realize those are private purchases right? The government can’t mandate what people buy.

                    And then the China tariff. Like it it not they’re going to protect American industry from low wage made cars.

                    So we’re basically back to, congrats you just showed you’re exactly the “not fast enough!” person. And we are moving in the right direction with, well everything I already listed. You want to move faster? Give Dems overwhelming and consistent victories.

        • @[email protected]
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          16 months ago

          So which is it? Other people are saying that if Trump gets reelected, democracy will end instantly.

          Seems like “things take time” only when neoliberal Democrats get criticized for their shitty policy.

          • @someguy3
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            Progress takes time, effort, and hard work.

            Stagnation (or regression) takes fuck all. It takes fuck all effort to block things. The GOP can do that with control of only one of the 3 (house, senate, presidency). Which they’ve had for 20 of the last 24 years.

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              It takes fuck all effort to block things. The GOP can do that with control of only one of the 3 (house, senate, presidency). Which they’ve had for 20 of the last 24 years.

              That goes both ways, and yet we’ve seen Republicans pass all kinds of vile legislation in that time. If “it takes fuck all effort to block things” then why aren’t Democrats doing that too?

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                What the GOP wants is lack of progress. They want to hit the giant pause button on society. They want to block progress from happening. That’s why the GOP benefits more from blocking things. What the Dems want is actual progress - new bills, new laws, new measures. That requires legislation to actually pass. So no, it doesn’t work both ways.

                The most the GOP wants to do is repeal what was already passed, and give tax breaks. It takes fuck all effort to do that. They get one house and they can demand tax breaks or they shut down the government. Or they try to repeal the ACA. They didn’t write a well thought out replacement lol, all they want to do is repeal.

                To actually write and pass progressive legislation takes a ton of actual work, effort, support, and time. And all 3 houses to pass it.

      • @givesomefucks
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        -97 months ago
        1. The genocide he’s not just supporting, but now actively involving US military in.

        2. Making trump border policies permanent law.

        3. Not fulfilling campaign promises

        But like, please don’t do that thing where because I didn’t list every little thing, that I’m saying the only issues with Biden are the ones I listed.

        • @btaf45
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          37 months ago

          I didn’t list every little thing

          You listed 3 false things.

          • @givesomefucks
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            -57 months ago

            If you expected #1 and still voted for him…

            I dunno, but at least now people can’t act like they don’t understand how people voted for hitler.

            I expected this shit from republicans, but way too many people who call themselves Dems are just ok with genocide.

            Apparently all it took to get Dems to support genocide, is only give them the option of more genocide?

            And republicans are all about genocide, so now neither party can be counted on to be consistently against genocide?

            What I still don’t understand, is why so many of you are just ok with it.

            • NoIWontPickAName
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              That’s the sound of the Overton window ratcheting to the right, and the democrats locking it in place

              • @btaf45
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                17 months ago

                The one and only way to move the Overton window to the left is for the GOP to keep losing elections over and over and over.

            • @[email protected]
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              What I don’t understand is knowing this… you still do your best to rally people to either not vote, or vote third party. Look, it’s a shit system. No one here is cheerleading for it. But because so few people chose to be activists in the off years between elections…

              This is what we get when no one cares about politics when it actually matters. No. What we get are single-issue SJWs every election year shouting at everything trying to keep democrat alive while the rest of you whine about… whatever bothers you at the moment. And let’s not even mention the right-wing trolls among you that pretend to support your causes, but are only fanning the flames to prop up their boy.

              And after all this… when the smoke clears in November, when the decision is made- ALL of you will disappear and reroll as victims of whatever that decision is.

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                I don’t understand is knowing this… you still do your best to rally people to either not vote, or vote third party.

                And what I don’t understand is whether this is to help War Criminal Putin or Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump.

                I guess it doesn’t matter it all benefits the same Axis Powers.

                The Axis of Evil

                Treason Trump - War Criminal Putin - Comrade Xi - Monster King Kim Jong Un

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                  It’s not SJWs that oppose genocide. News flash bud…

                  Everyone opposes genocide.

                  You’re not going to get away with your false equivalency here. Just because someone opposes the ignorance required to think that NOT voting will somehow move the needle in a chosen direction- does not mean they support genocide. So stop with this nonsense.

                  Now, either discuss this like a mature adult without insults, or walk away.

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                What I don’t understand is knowing this… you still do your best to rally people to either not vote, or vote third party

                You put that on voters (of which there are millions) but nothing for the DNC or Biden? Maybe 20 people who could give voters what they want?

                Why?

                What we get are single-issue SJWs

                Even while typing this, I know people would still do it…

                But like, please don’t do that thing where because I didn’t list every little thing, that I’m saying the only issues with Biden are the ones I listed.

                Single issue voters are not a really thing.

                But when enough people unify under a common cause, progress can be made. Which is while everytime the common people band together, there’s a couple telling them unity is bad, and they should always break apart and only worry about themselves.

                MLK had some choice words about people that did that. Malcolm had more than words.

    • @ccunning
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      Now that we’ve had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected…

      He far exceeded my expectations.

      • @givesomefucks
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        -117 months ago

        Everyone has different standards and expectations.

        Hell, look at how many people say that about trump.

      • @return2ozmaOP
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        In which ways? motions to everything being crap

        • @ccunning
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          • Massive infrastructure bill
          • Student loan forgiveness
          • Marijuana rescheduling

          There’s plenty more, but my expectation was for him to not be Trump which he has thoroughly succeeded at. The rest is icing.

          The biggest things he’s disappointed on, Trump disappoints on too…:

          • Palestine
          • Being too fucking old

          …so it’s easy to see how that on balance he has exceeded expectations…

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            Massive infrastructure bill that just funnels money to companies like Comcast and Spectrum and othet corporations who’ll squander like they have every other time they’ve been given money

            Student loan forgiveness that does nothing to change the insane and continually rising cost of attending college.

            Marijuana rescheduling that does nothing to address the fact that 40 states have already legalized it for medical use and 25 states who’ve legalized it for recreational use.

            This is little more than a bunch of empty gestures and lip service to make it seem like they’re improving things when in reality, very little is changing (and to give people like you hollow talking points to list as accomplisments). This is why so many people don’t even bother to vote anymore because the whole system is stacked against us.

          • @return2ozmaOP
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            -107 months ago

            That bar was extremely low huh?

            • @ccunning
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              Yes. Being better than Trump is a low bar.

              Are you confused about what’s happening here?

              • @return2ozmaOP
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                It would be nice if we actually had policies we could champion instead of just “not Trump”.

                  • @return2ozmaOP
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                    -87 months ago

                    That should be the bare minimum. Crumbs.

            • Dojan
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              It’s silly to downvote you for wanting the leaders and representatives of a country and its people to be held to a certain standard.

              • @return2ozmaOP
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                -57 months ago

                I mean, politicians work for us. We’re their boss. They should be working their asses off for the people.

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                  Frankly we should be sacking the whole lot of them for gross misconduct.

    • @btaf45
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      Now that we’ve had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected

      Biden’s much better than I expected, after being disappointed in Obama and his poor negotiating skills.